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BeechSportBill
08-23-2005, 10:55 AM
On Mon Aug 22 18:43 , "gmacp1949" sent:



We would like any information on replacing the door seals.



Hi there -



Here's what I ordered:



Plane Plastics

Door Seal Material-KX-2123BT

32'

$1.90/ft

$60.80 total

$24.00 FREIGHT!!!

$84.80 net



You might need to order more for your big back door - probably another 16'?



Bill Howard

BeechSportBill

N1927W 1973 Sport 150

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jkaidor
08-24-2005, 09:32 AM
> On Mon Aug 22 18:43 , "gmacp1949" sent:
>
> We would like any information on replacing the door seals.
bhoward wrote:
> Here's what I ordered:
>
> Plane Plastics
> Door Seal Material-KX-2123BT
*** What about windlace? They only seem to have the woven-finish stuff.
My C23 uses windlace covered with plain white textured vinyl. Anybody
found a source for that?

- Jerry Kaidor ( jerry@tr2.com )


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Rellihan
08-24-2005, 04:32 PM
All the smooth windlace is, is soft vinyl wrapped around a round foam tube and stitched. The foam tube is similar to what is used to fill large gaps, as a backing for caulking. Interior shops make their own all the time. As an owner you are allowed to "manufacture and install" upholstery material; you just need the "burn certification". There is a lot of info on that already in the archives. Just go by a decent local auto upholstery shop, ideally one that does custom work, and have them make you some matching (or near-matching) windlace. If necessary you can spray it for flame resistance, but a lot of modern auto materials already meet the specs.

Keep in mind that the windlace is not there just to look like pretty trim. It is supposed to be soft and pliable, and to cover the door-to-frame joint with the door closed. While there is overall negative pressure in the cabin during flight, there tends to be an outflow of air around the jamb due to the relative velocity difference. This flow is supposed to pull the windlace against the gap to help seal it from drafts and noise. Once the windlace gets old and stiff, or if it is mounted incorrectly so that it cannot flex, it cannot provide this primary function. Most automobiles abandoned windlace many years ago, when car door seals were dramatically improved.

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From: Jerry Kaidor
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> On Mon Aug 22 18:43 , "gmacp1949" sent:
>
> We would like any information on replacing the door seals.
bhoward wrote:
> Here's what I ordered:
>
> Plane Plastics
> Door Seal Material-KX-2123BT
*** What about windlace? They only seem to have the woven-finish stuff.
My C23 uses windlace covered with plain white textured vinyl. Anybody
found a source for that?

- Jerry Kaidor ( jerry@tr2.com )
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Rellihan
08-24-2005, 04:58 PM
I'm working with Bill Howard to do a little research on the main door seals right now. Bill is going to try some of the 5/8" quarter-round material from Plane Plastics. I don't know whether it is the same stuff, but Brown Aircraft in Jax, FL used to manufacture this stuff for most of the resellers (Chief, Aircraft Spruce, etc.). I tried what Brown was making, and it would not work. It was too wide and dense to let the door close properly. Tried a few others too, but always wound up back with the factory seals.

Frankly, as long as it remains at its present price of $63 per door, the Beech price isn't too terribly out of line. Custom seals from Aircraft Spruce, for Pipers and Cessnas, run about $50 per door. The generic seal material runs around $2 per foot, and seldom fits properly.

The special seal for the large Sierra baggage door is another matter altogether. Its price of $677 is even worse than the ridiculous $550 price on the H2532-13 door handles. I was buying these seals for $30 less than ten years ago. I continue to be staggered by how RAPID parts management can allow extremes like this to occur. Anyone wonder why RAPID has 26 of these in stock, or when they sold their last one? I'm running behind on it, but I hope to work a project on all these seals with an alternative provider.

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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:43 PM
Subject: [musketeermail] Door Seals, Sierra


We would like any information on replacing the door seals in a Sierra.
Ours are (surprise) old and cracked and we get darned cold in the
winter.
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jbryant
08-25-2005, 07:20 AM
Airtex has all the different kinds of Wind lace for our aircraft. Call them
and tell them your S/M and Model of aircraft.

Jeff Bryant
Southwest Regional Director
Beech Aero Club
1975 Sport "160" N6993R
California City, Ca




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> On Mon Aug 22 18:43 , "gmacp1949" sent:
>
> We would like any information on replacing the door seals.
bhoward wrote:
> Here's what I ordered:
>
> Plane Plastics
> Door Seal Material-KX-2123BT
*** What about windlace? They only seem to have the woven-finish stuff.
My C23 uses windlace covered with plain white textured vinyl. Anybody found
a source for that?

- Jerry Kaidor ( jerry@tr2.com )


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Rellihan
08-25-2005, 10:15 AM
The windlace trim as sold by RAPID consists of a single piece that is six feet long.

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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:19 AM
Subject: RE: [BAC-Mail] Re: [musketeermail] Door Seals, Sierra


Airtex has all the different kinds of Wind lace for our aircraft. Call them
and tell them your S/M and Model of aircraft.

Jeff Bryant
Southwest Regional Director
Beech Aero Club
1975 Sport "160" N6993R
California City, Ca




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Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [BAC-Mail] Re: [musketeermail] Door Seals, Sierra

> On Mon Aug 22 18:43 , "gmacp1949" sent:
>
> We would like any information on replacing the door seals.
bhoward wrote:
> Here's what I ordered:
>
> Plane Plastics
> Door Seal Material-KX-2123BT
*** What about windlace? They only seem to have the woven-finish stuff.
My C23 uses windlace covered with plain white textured vinyl. Anybody found
a source for that?

- Jerry Kaidor ( jerry@tr2.com )


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jkaidor
08-25-2005, 10:21 AM
> The windlace trim as sold by RAPID consists of a single piece that is six
> feet long.
>
*** Wow. That's less than one door's worth. And almost $30 per foot.
This part has officially left the "screaming deal" category.

- Jerry


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DavidLWhitley
07-24-2006, 08:32 AM
[quote="jbryant"]Airtex has all the different kinds of Wind lace for our aircraft. Call them
and tell them your S/M and Model of aircraft.

Jeff Bryant
Southwest Regional Director
Beech Aero Club
1975 Sport "160" N6993R
California City, Ca



I is this WINDLACE what AIRTEX presents as WELT? I can't find windlace on their web catalog.
-Dave