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    Kirby's question

    Dan, After spending almost two weeks with Brian Foote, you should not have to ask what age does to you. He's a mess and barely 35. And as for stress factor... have you ever sat in the right seat with him... Oh yes, for almost two l-o-n-g weeks. Nuff said.

    Anon.

    Subject: Re: [musketeermail] Overweight


    Is there any data to substantiate a degradation in the
    G loading stress factor with age? It sounds plausable,
    but not good. Not worried, but curious.

    Dan, Sierra N9299S


    --- Bob Steward <n76lima@mindspring.com> wrote:

    >
    > >OK, I know I am going to catch a lot of grief with
    > this question.
    > >If overload my gross by 40 pounds and by the time I
    > fly a 1/2 hour, I
    > >would be back under gross. Do you think this could
    > become a major issue or
    > >can our planes handle it?
    >
    > The insidious nature of the busting of GW is that it
    > doesn't immediately
    > bite you in the butt if you are not at the edges of
    > the flight envelope.
    >
    > Yes, of course you can overload the plane and take
    > off from a long runway
    > at a low density altitude that doesn't have any 50
    > foot trees at the end.
    >
    > The other factor is that the stall speed and the
    > power off sink rate go up
    > with additional loading.
    >
    > You aren't going to break the plane from the 40#
    > stress. The plane has a
    > 3.8G structural safety factor (when new) and 40#
    > isn't going to cause a
    > failure in smooth air and with a light touch on the
    > controls so you never
    > spike the G loading.
    >
    > That being said, why do you NEED to push the loading
    > over the approved limits?
    >
    > Do your passengers know that you are flying a test
    > mission and they are the
    > guinea pigs?
    >
    > When the engine acts up before you get to pattern
    > altitude and you need
    > every knot of airspeed and every foot of altitude to
    > get it on the ground
    > safely, will you still be thinking it was a good
    > idea to carry that extra 40#?
    >
    > Bob Steward, A&P IA
    > Birmingham, AL
    >
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    Kirby's question

    Thanks Tom, I needed a few years removed.
    And I think it was Dan's best time ever riding right seat.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: <mediareps@aol.com>
    To: <abk100@yahoo.com>; <n76lima@mindspring.com>;
    <musketeermail@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 8:41 PM
    Subject: [musketeermail] Kirby's question


    > Dan, After spending almost two weeks with Brian Foote, you should not have
    > to ask what age does to you. He's a mess and barely 35. And as for stress
    > factor... have you ever sat in the right seat with him... Oh yes, for
    > almost two l-o-n-g weeks. Nuff said.
    >
    > Anon.
    >
    > Subject: Re: [musketeermail] Overweight
    >
    >
    > Is there any data to substantiate a degradation in the
    > G loading stress factor with age? It sounds plausable,
    > but not good. Not worried, but curious.
    >
    > Dan, Sierra N9299S
    >
    >
    > --- Bob Steward <n76lima@mindspring.com> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> >OK, I know I am going to catch a lot of grief with
    >> this question.
    >> >If overload my gross by 40 pounds and by the time I
    >> fly a 1/2 hour, I
    >> >would be back under gross. Do you think this could
    >> become a major issue or
    >> >can our planes handle it?
    >>
    >> The insidious nature of the busting of GW is that it
    >> doesn't immediately
    >> bite you in the butt if you are not at the edges of
    >> the flight envelope.
    >>
    >> Yes, of course you can overload the plane and take
    >> off from a long runway
    >> at a low density altitude that doesn't have any 50
    >> foot trees at the end.
    >>
    >> The other factor is that the stall speed and the
    >> power off sink rate go up
    >> with additional loading.
    >>
    >> You aren't going to break the plane from the 40#
    >> stress. The plane has a
    >> 3.8G structural safety factor (when new) and 40#
    >> isn't going to cause a
    >> failure in smooth air and with a light touch on the
    >> controls so you never
    >> spike the G loading.
    >>
    >> That being said, why do you NEED to push the loading
    >> over the approved limits?
    >>
    >> Do your passengers know that you are flying a test
    >> mission and they are the
    >> guinea pigs?
    >>
    >> When the engine acts up before you get to pattern
    >> altitude and you need
    >> every knot of airspeed and every foot of altitude to
    >> get it on the ground
    >> safely, will you still be thinking it was a good
    >> idea to carry that extra 40#?
    >>
    >> Bob Steward, A&P IA
    >> Birmingham, AL
    >>
    >>
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  3. #3

    Kirby's question

    I guess Brian really believed me when I told him I
    lost 65# in two weeks to get us legal, or he wouldn't
    be asking about 40#.

    Dan

    --- Brian & Bertha Foote <bfoote@e-mart.tv> wrote:

    > Thanks Tom, I needed a few years removed.
    > And I think it was Dan's best time ever riding right
    > seat.
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: <mediareps@aol.com>
    > To: <abk100@yahoo.com>; <n76lima@mindspring.com>;
    > <musketeermail@yahoogroups.com>
    > Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 8:41 PM
    > Subject: [musketeermail] Kirby's question
    >
    >
    > > Dan, After spending almost two weeks with Brian
    > Foote, you should not have
    > > to ask what age does to you. He's a mess and
    > barely 35. And as for stress
    > > factor... have you ever sat in the right seat with
    > him... Oh yes, for
    > > almost two l-o-n-g weeks. Nuff said.
    > >
    > > Anon.
    > >
    > > Subject: Re: [musketeermail] Overweight
    > >
    > >
    > > Is there any data to substantiate a degradation in
    > the
    > > G loading stress factor with age? It sounds
    > plausable,
    > > but not good. Not worried, but curious.
    > >
    > > Dan, Sierra N9299S
    > >
    > >
    > > --- Bob Steward <n76lima@mindspring.com> wrote:
    > >
    > >>
    > >> >OK, I know I am going to catch a lot of grief
    > with
    > >> this question.
    > >> >If overload my gross by 40 pounds and by the
    > time I
    > >> fly a 1/2 hour, I
    > >> >would be back under gross. Do you think this
    > could
    > >> become a major issue or
    > >> >can our planes handle it?
    > >>
    > >> The insidious nature of the busting of GW is that
    > it
    > >> doesn't immediately
    > >> bite you in the butt if you are not at the edges
    > of
    > >> the flight envelope.
    > >>
    > >> Yes, of course you can overload the plane and
    > take
    > >> off from a long runway
    > >> at a low density altitude that doesn't have any
    > 50
    > >> foot trees at the end.
    > >>
    > >> The other factor is that the stall speed and the
    > >> power off sink rate go up
    > >> with additional loading.
    > >>
    > >> You aren't going to break the plane from the 40#
    > >> stress. The plane has a
    > >> 3.8G structural safety factor (when new) and 40#
    > >> isn't going to cause a
    > >> failure in smooth air and with a light touch on
    > the
    > >> controls so you never
    > >> spike the G loading.
    > >>
    > >> That being said, why do you NEED to push the
    > loading
    > >> over the approved limits?
    > >>
    > >> Do your passengers know that you are flying a
    > test
    > >> mission and they are the
    > >> guinea pigs?
    > >>
    > >> When the engine acts up before you get to pattern
    > >> altitude and you need
    > >> every knot of airspeed and every foot of altitude
    > to
    > >> get it on the ground
    > >> safely, will you still be thinking it was a good
    > >> idea to carry that extra 40#?
    > >>
    > >> Bob Steward, A&P IA
    > >> Birmingham, AL
    > >>
    > >>
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