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  1. #1

    C-35 Bonanza vs. Super III

    I hate to say this, but I am looking at a nice (or so I think) C-35
    Bonanza and was wondering if anyone had any experience/horror stories
    with the older Bonanzas.

    I am also looking at a Super III. Any reason to pick one over the other?

    I like the Bonanza for the speed, economy, and service ceiling. The
    Super would possibly give me room to expand (around the waist and also
    larger family).

    Ray





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    C-35 Bonanza vs. Super III

    The Bo will cost you a thousand or two extra at each
    annual and another thousand or so with each insurance
    renewal. More if you forget to put the feet down or
    if you have a retract malfunction.

    But, you will save 30 minutes or so on each long trip.
    You will look cool with a retract airplane. You will
    build complex and high power time. It depends on what
    you do with your airplane and what is important to
    you.

    Good luck with your decision

    --- Ray <skybound_supplies@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > I hate to say this, but I am looking at a nice (or
    > so I think) C-35
    > Bonanza and was wondering if anyone had any
    > experience/horror stories
    > with the older Bonanzas.
    >
    > I am also looking at a Super III. Any reason to pick
    > one over the other?
    >
    > I like the Bonanza for the speed, economy, and
    > service ceiling. The
    > Super would possibly give me room to expand (around
    > the waist and also
    > larger family).
    >
    > Ray
    >
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    >
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  3. #3

    C-35 Bonanza vs. Super III

    Ray, as it turns out, I used to have a C35 and now I have a Super III.
    You're likely to have a lot of folks try to talk you out of the
    Bonanza. I won't do that because and older Bone is a hellofa plane.
    Here is my pro/con list. You decide for yourself.

    Bonanza:
    + Fast for the horsepower and fuel burn
    + Front bench seat is very comfortable
    - Rear seat is a virtual vomitorium in turbulence
    + Excellent short field performance
    + Great soft field performance
    - Hard to keep W&B legal. Gets tail heavy quick as fuel burns off
    + Easiest plane to land that I've every flown (I've flow a lot)
    + Single throw-over control yoke (I like it 'cause passengers love it)
    + Smooth running, easy starting E-series Continental
    - Some E-series Continental parts are hard to find
    + Electric CS prop has no ADs and works good
    - Retrofitted hydraulic CS props may have ADs
    - Weird combo wobble pump and fuel tank selector
    - Hopelessly bad instrument panel design (unless it's been upgraded)
    + Pressure carb eliminates carb ice
    - Magnesium control surfaces may need reskinning
    + V-tail scare keeps purchase price low
    - V-tail scare keeps resale price low
    - Original "piano key" switches are an ingraved invitation to a gear-up
    - Insurance and annual higher due to retractable gear
    + Easy oil changes
    - Standard fuel (40 gallons) is to little
    - Hard to slow down to drop gear
    - Normal cruise is WAY into the yellow arc
    + Aux fuel tanks are common
    - Bladder fuel tanks
    + Tons of airframe mods available
    - Cowl flaps to deal with
    + DELIGHTFUL control feel, especially in pitch
    + Never need to touch the rudder except x-wind landing
    + Large fleet in the boneyard for parts
    + Bonanza looks and mystique
    - These things are really OLD

    Super III
    + Superior side and rear visibility
    + Bulletproof Lyc IO-360
    - Hot starting the Lyc IO-360
    - Slow for the horsepower and fuel burn
    + Climbs great on 200 HP
    + Good service ceiling
    + Simple rugged systems that most any A&P can maintain
    + CS prop option.
    - CS prop option (Take your pick)
    + Modern instrument panel design
    + Standard fuel is generous 58 gallons
    + Fuel tank tabs and slots provides great range/W&B flexibility
    + Circa 1000 lb useful load
    + Superior W&B envelope
    - Not known for short field performance
    - Not known for soft field performance
    + Modern instrument panel design
    - Practically no airframe mods available
    + Rear seat comfort is superior
    + Normal cruise is WAY below yellow arc
    + Lower insurance and annual due to fixed gear
    - Smaller fleet in the boneyard for parts
    - Musketeer looks and mystique

    Bonanza = Super III
    * Front seat comfort level
    * Build quality
    * Parts expense
    * CG moves aft as fuel is burned
    * Similar HP and fuel burn
    * Size, inside and out
    * Roll rate
    * Forward visibility

    I think the pros and cons make it almost a wash. I'll have to say, that
    I just prefer the way the Bone flys. Control feel, ease of landing,
    short/soft field capabilities, etc. To corrupt Tom Cruise's line from
    Risky Business, "Bonanza. There is no substitute!" But I prefer the
    simpler systems (mine has fixed-pitch prop) and vastly superior W&B
    options of the Super. The Bone is faster (except when you have to slow
    way down for turbulence), no question about it. But when I look at the
    missions I fly, the time difference is negligable. And after all, don't
    we want to fly MORE?

    Because the Bone has some unique systems and quirks, you really need
    access to an A&P that KNOWS old Bonanzas. If you don't, you will end up
    paying a king's ransom for parts and repairs. Not so much with
    Musketeers. Really, there are only a few quirky things on a Musketeer
    (like replacing landing gear donuts) that a Cessna/Piper A&P might have
    trouble with.

    So I say, if you find a good Bonanza and have a good Bonanza A&P and
    want the extra speed and have extra insurance money, then go right
    ahead. Otherwise, get a good Super.

    Best regards,

    Steve Robertson
    N4732J 1967 Super III
    ex-N5839C 1952 C35


    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <skybound_supplies@y...>
    wrote:
    >
    > I hate to say this, but I am looking at a nice (or so I think) C-35
    > Bonanza and was wondering if anyone had any experience/horror stories
    > with the older Bonanzas.
    >
    > I am also looking at a Super III. Any reason to pick one over the
    other?
    >
    > I like the Bonanza for the speed, economy, and service ceiling. The
    > Super would possibly give me room to expand (around the waist and
    also
    > larger family).
    >
    > Ray
    >






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