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  1. #1

    The Cabin Size Help

    Thanks to all who responded by message and email to my cabin size
    question. I think it is fair to say that the consensus is that the
    Musketeer is more spacious (though, as one person quoted by the book,
    only 2 inches wider than the warrior?). If I could just have the
    mooney speed/fuel burn in a Musketeer with a 180 I'd be quite pleased.

    One final note: At least a couple of people have indicated that the
    sundowner was second choice to a sierra which was second choice to a
    Musketeer. This seems quite odd, as in my mind we're talking a couple
    of different mission planes? Or, is it usual to have people looking
    at all three?







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  2. #2

    The Cabin Size Help

    Musketeer, Sport, Sundowner and Sierra are all essentialy the same design. The Musketeers are older than the Sundowners. The Sports were the less expensive version of the Musketeer to sell to flight schools. They generally have fewer passenger windows, some don't have a back seat but with time and various owners you need to assess the equipment that each individual airplane has installed at the time you buy it. Musketeers were built with different engines, the Lycoming O320, the Continental IO346, the Lycoming O360 and the Lycoming IO360. About 1972 or so Beech changed the name to Sundowner and made the cabin a little larger and used the O360 engine. These airplanes are a little heavier than the Musketeers and usually have a bit less payload. The Sierra has the 200 hp IO360 and retractable gear. All are represented on this formum and the owners of all models are generally happy. The Sierras are more expensive than the rest. Sundowners are generally more
    expensive than Musketeers. A23-24 Musketeers with the IO360 are premium airplanes over the lower powered Musketeers. In general you get more airplane for your money than in brand C or brand P and you pay more for the preferred models than others. Also, the avionics and condition make a lot of difference.

    Patrick <phins2left@yahoo.com> wrote: Thanks to all who responded by message and email to my cabin size
    question. I think it is fair to say that the consensus is that the
    Musketeer is more spacious (though, as one person quoted by the book,
    only 2 inches wider than the warrior?). If I could just have the
    mooney speed/fuel burn in a Musketeer with a 180 I'd be quite pleased.

    One final note: At least a couple of people have indicated that the
    sundowner was second choice to a sierra which was second choice to a
    Musketeer. This seems quite odd, as in my mind we're talking a couple
    of different mission planes? Or, is it usual to have people looking
    at all three?








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  3. #3

    The Cabin Size Help

    > Musketeer is more spacious (though, as one person quoted by the book,
    > only 2 inches wider than the warrior?).


    It's a very important 2 inches. Seriously. Plus, the cabin shape in
    the warrior has a stronger curve inward, making for much less headroom
    laterally.

    > If I could just have the
    > mooney speed/fuel burn in a Musketeer with a 180 I'd be quite pleased.


    Hehehe... but then you wouldn't get to spend all that quality time in
    the air!



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    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, Jefro <jefro@j...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > > Musketeer is more spacious (though, as one person quoted by the book,
    > > only 2 inches wider than the warrior?).
    >
    >
    > It's a very important 2 inches. Seriously. Plus, the cabin shape in
    > the warrior has a stronger curve inward, making for much less headroom
    > laterally.
    >
    > > If I could just have the
    > > mooney speed/fuel burn in a Musketeer with a 180 I'd be quite pleased.
    >
    >
    > Hehehe... but then you wouldn't get to spend all that quality time in
    > the air!
    >


    Yeah, yeah, yeah, as soon as I read the post minimizing the two inch
    difference my mind immediately recognized that many-many-many people
    out there would tell me that "every inch REALLY counts"

    Seriously (a condition I'm not used to being in), I appreciate the
    feedback.

    The only reason for the speed is that one of the regularly planned
    trips is to see family 380 NM away, and a slow plane almost guarantees
    a potty stop becuase can be over 3.5 hrs, whereas a faster plane gets
    me under the 3.0 hr comfort point for not having to stop (necessarily.
    I understand the variables of winds and/or coffee consummed).






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  5. #5

    The Cabin Size Help

    Hi Patrick
    Trying to catch up on the posts made while I've been away, I see the
    following criteria from you:
    1. Cost for sole ownership
    2. Size, since you're a bigger guy
    3. Distance or 380 miles
    4. Family acceptance

    I'd strongly suggest doing a couple of things. First, do a
    realistic trip plan for each of the airplanes at a given price.
    Sounds like you need at least a Cherokee 180 or Warrior in the Piper
    line and that price would get you a much nicer Mouse or Sundowner.
    (Try for the extra 4 inches of width in a post-1970 model.) See if
    there is really enough take-off performance in the Piper for the
    wife, kids, realistic bags, plus the fuel range, with a solid
    reserve. I'm guessing that the range and load will cut a lot of
    options out of what's affordable. Make it a realistic plan, not
    right to the book limits; watching usable load, cg, runway length
    (plus a healthy realism percentage), and climb rate.

    Most of all, make sure they really want to do it. My wife and kids
    will fly, but it took years to get past "Just Daddy's hobby" or "If
    it ain't Boeing, I ain't going."

    The Beech's bigger windshield, more upright seating, and more
    spacious car-like feel is much more attractive to non-flying
    spouses, which can help a lot. You sit more down into the Piper,
    with the panel in your face. My wife and kids really don't like to
    fly in Cessna's and have said that the high-wings make it less car-
    like. Still, I know of guys who put a lot of time, money, and
    dreams into a plane, the family didn't want to fly, and it sat till
    it was sold.

    So second, if possible, do a rental of each with the wife and kids.
    If you can't do that, see if you can find one of each type for them
    to simply sit in for a longer period, just like on a trip. Bring
    books. Not only is the front seat wider, but the Beech's back seats
    are massively wider, as well. (Don't know about the pre-1970
    comparison.) Two hours in a tighter seat could easily be the
    equivalent of 4 hours in the wider one, and we carry nearly 60
    gallons!

    Bob
    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick " <phins2left@y...>
    wrote:
    >
    > --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, Jefro <jefro@j...> wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > > > Musketeer is more spacious (though, as one person quoted by
    the book,
    > > > only 2 inches wider than the warrior?).
    > >
    > >
    > > It's a very important 2 inches. Seriously. Plus, the cabin
    shape in
    > > the warrior has a stronger curve inward, making for much less
    headroom
    > > laterally.
    > >
    > > > If I could just have the
    > > > mooney speed/fuel burn in a Musketeer with a 180 I'd be quite
    pleased.
    > >
    > >
    > > Hehehe... but then you wouldn't get to spend all that quality
    time in
    > > the air!
    > >
    >
    >
    > Yeah, yeah, yeah, as soon as I read the post minimizing the two
    inch
    > difference my mind immediately recognized that many-many-many
    people
    > out there would tell me that "every inch REALLY counts"
    >
    > Seriously (a condition I'm not used to being in), I appreciate the
    > feedback.
    >
    > The only reason for the speed is that one of the regularly planned
    > trips is to see family 380 NM away, and a slow plane almost
    guarantees
    > a potty stop becuase can be over 3.5 hrs, whereas a faster plane
    gets
    > me under the 3.0 hr comfort point for not having to stop
    (necessarily.
    > I understand the variables of winds and/or coffee consummed).
    >






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