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  1. #1

    speeds

    My 1963 B23"s POH dose not have the procedures and speeds for short,
    soft takeoff tables nor soft, short and precission landing procedures.

    I am working on my commercial ticket and these techinques have to be
    done in a complex craft that has the speeds and procedures but I would
    like to have it for the plane I fly weekly so I could master them.

    PLease inform me of:

    S0 S1
    short field takeoff and landing procedure with respective speeds
    soft field takeoff and landing procedures w/ respective speeds.








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  2. #2

    speeds

    Landings and takeoffs on runways not well paved and at least 10,000 feet long and 300 feet wide are not approved by the Raytheon legal department and you need at least 40 gallons of 100 LL for takeoff. In short, they took the soft and short field instructions out of the POH for reasons that remain unstated for liability reasons but are easy to figure out.

    Josué <quemago@yahoo.com> wrote: My 1963 B23"s POH dose not have the procedures and speeds for short,
    soft takeoff tables nor soft, short and precission landing procedures.

    I am working on my commercial ticket and these techinques have to be
    done in a complex craft that has the speeds and procedures but I would
    like to have it for the plane I fly weekly so I could master them.

    PLease inform me of:

    S0 S1
    short field takeoff and landing procedure with respective speeds
    soft field takeoff and landing procedures w/ respective speeds.








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  3. #3

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    Josue,
    Our original POH for our 1967 A23-24 lists both. The new POH does not
    reference them. In the old POH they recommend one notch of flaps and go on
    to say that two notches may provide even better performance. One notch works
    very well. Two notches can be a little goosey. Tried it with three and it
    definately made for an interesting takeoff. Aircraft really pops up into the
    air (which you have to be ready for). If I was doing it for real, I would go
    for one notch of flaps. My partner and I also discussed extending the flaps
    just before VR and pretty much decided that there would not be a significant
    difference in the takeoff roll to make it worth the danger of the added
    distraction. As far as short field landings, we fly the approach at 70 kts
    and then reduce speed back to 60 kts across the numbers. If you do it just
    right you will have bled off all of the flying speed just as you hit the
    1000 ft marker (which is usually our "target"). We have brought it in so
    slow that there was no longer energy left for a flair (about 50 knots). I
    would hasten to say that we have the Demer tips which provide a great
    reduction in stall speed. After installing them we played around for awhile
    trying to see just how slow we could bring the aircraft in. For the soft
    field takeoff use one notch of flaps, the yoke should be all the way back
    and you should get a running start being sure not to stop in the soft area.
    Keep the yoke to your chest till you lift off and then keep it in ground
    effect (which can be kind of hard to do and the Musketeer tends to pop up).
    Here you are really not concerned with speeds until you are airborne at
    which time you slowly retract the flaps and maintain Vx (which on our
    aircraft is 74 kts). One thing you might discuss with the DE prior to the
    check ride is the retracting of the flaps immediately after touchdown. Some
    will fault you on this (even though we are placarded to do this to increase
    braking effectiveness) and suggest that nothing should be touched until you
    are at taxi speed. He should be ok with this as long as he knows your reason
    for doing it (especially if you are really doing it on a short field, where
    it really is essential!). Good luck. Of all the ratings, the commercial has
    to be the most fun!
    John

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    My 1963 B23"s POH dose not have the procedures and speeds for short,
    soft takeoff tables nor soft, short and precission landing procedures.

    I am working on my commercial ticket and these techinques have to be
    done in a complex craft that has the speeds and procedures but I would
    like to have it for the plane I fly weekly so I could master them.

    PLease inform me of:

    S0 S1
    short field takeoff and landing procedure with respective speeds
    soft field takeoff and landing procedures w/ respective speeds.








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  4. #4

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    Be careful here. After the 1963-64 model, Beech decided to increase
    the flap total deflection and (if I remember correctly) the notch
    detents. Therfore, your 63 will be different than a 65 or later
    model. You also have to contend with power differences. The 63 most
    likely has 15 to 50 HP deficit to contend with. True the maximum
    weight is lower, but the total perfomance will be slower and longer.
    Try all procedures out at a local airport that has a long paved runway
    first.



    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, Josué <quemago@y...> wrote:
    >
    > My 1963 B23"s POH dose not have the procedures and speeds for short,
    > soft takeoff tables nor soft, short and precission landing procedures.
    >
    > I am working on my commercial ticket and these techinques have to be
    > done in a complex craft that has the speeds and procedures but I
    would
    > like to have it for the plane I fly weekly so I could master them.
    >
    > PLease inform me of:
    >
    > S0 S1
    > short field takeoff and landing procedure with respective speeds
    > soft field takeoff and landing procedures w/ respective speeds.
    >






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