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    Al Todd, What type of fire extinquisher should we be using inside the aircraft? I keep getting conflicting opinions.

    Tom Corcoran

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Al Todd <av8tor8770m@sbcglobal.net>
    To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com; joe_gug <joe_gug@yahoo.com>
    Sent: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:56:09 -0400
    Subject: Re: [musketeermail] parts needed


    Hi, That Monomonium Phosphate which is labled as "ABC" agent on
    extinguishers and is yellow in color, is a high corrosive agent to aluminum.
    The best thing to do is remove the stuff from any surface with in 12 hours.
    Missed that one I bet.
    The stuff will slip under lap joints in aluminum skins and rivit heads
    causing corrosion.
    Any avionics in the panel can now be sold by the pound as the corrosion is
    as agood as sea water.

    Now, after all the doom and gloom, I suggest removing everything you can
    from the cabin, do not use any liquids to create a solution, wear a
    resperator, spend a few hours with an air hose blowing out every crevasse,
    nook and cranny.

    Then, do it again. You have to get rid of that stuff while it is dry, I hope
    it stayed dry.
    Your still going to have rivit and lap joint corrosion issues that need to
    be watched for years.

    You might want to talk with someone about applying a coat of a corrosion
    preventing liquid.
    I owned a fire company for years and handled ABC chemicals for years and saw
    the corrosive power of that stuff, it is very acidic.

    Years ago a 747 was down for service and they had major skin and rivit
    corrosion problems on one lower side of the aircraft. They traced back that
    the aircfart was on the ramp when a large ABC wheeled unit was used to put
    out a fire on a large ground power unit that was CLOSE to the aircraft.
    Imagine what is happening with that stuff INSIDE the aircraft.

    Good luck
    Al Todd Sierra 9321S




    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "joe_gug" <joe_gug@yahoo.com>
    To: <musketeermail@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 4:13 PM
    Subject: [musketeermail] parts needed


    > Hello to all.
    >
    > I am the proud new owner of 1964 A23A N8862M. It had a fire under the
    > dash and bought it from an insurance site. I am in the process of
    > replacing the wiring and most of the plastic parts under the dash.
    > Can anyone give me a good source for these parts. Also, if anyone
    > knows of a neutralizing agent for ammonium phosphate/monoammonium
    > phosphate, I would love to hear from them. As near as I can tell,
    > this is the chemical in ABC fire extinguishers and the firemen were
    > liberal with the use of this stuff. I have vacumed and blown for many
    > hours but I don't think I got it all.
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > Joe
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Join BAC today and be a part of the ONLY Type Club for the Musketeer
    series!
    >
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    >
    >
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    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >




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  2. #2

    parts needed

    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, mediareps@... wrote:
    >
    > Al Todd, What type of fire extinquisher should we be using inside
    the aircraft? I keep getting conflicting opinions.
    >
    > Tom Corcoran
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Al Todd <av8tor8770m@...>
    > To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com; joe_gug <joe_gug@...>
    > Sent: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:56:09 -0400
    > Subject: Re: [musketeermail] parts needed
    >
    >
    > Hi, That Monomonium Phosphate which is labled as "ABC" agent on
    > extinguishers and is yellow in color, is a high corrosive agent to
    aluminum.
    > The best thing to do is remove the stuff from any surface with in
    12 hours.
    > Missed that one I bet.
    > The stuff will slip under lap joints in aluminum skins and rivit
    heads
    > causing corrosion.
    > Any avionics in the panel can now be sold by the pound as the
    corrosion is
    > as agood as sea water.
    >
    > Now, after all the doom and gloom, I suggest removing everything
    you can
    > from the cabin, do not use any liquids to create a solution, wear a
    > resperator, spend a few hours with an air hose blowing out every
    crevasse,
    > nook and cranny.
    >
    > Then, do it again. You have to get rid of that stuff while it is
    dry, I hope
    > it stayed dry.
    > Your still going to have rivit and lap joint corrosion issues that
    need to
    > be watched for years.
    >
    > You might want to talk with someone about applying a coat of a
    corrosion
    > preventing liquid.
    > I owned a fire company for years and handled ABC chemicals for
    years and saw
    > the corrosive power of that stuff, it is very acidic.
    >
    > Years ago a 747 was down for service and they had major skin and
    rivit
    > corrosion problems on one lower side of the aircraft. They traced
    back that
    > the aircfart was on the ramp when a large ABC wheeled unit was
    used to put
    > out a fire on a large ground power unit that was CLOSE to the
    aircraft.
    > Imagine what is happening with that stuff INSIDE the aircraft.
    >
    > Good luck
    > Al Todd Sierra 9321S
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "joe_gug" <joe_gug@...>
    > To: <musketeermail@yahoogroups.com>
    > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 4:13 PM
    > Subject: [musketeermail] parts needed
    >
    >
    > > Hello to all.
    > >
    > > I am the proud new owner of 1964 A23A N8862M. It had a fire
    under the
    > > dash and bought it from an insurance site. I am in the process
    of
    > > replacing the wiring and most of the plastic parts under the
    dash.
    > > Can anyone give me a good source for these parts. Also, if
    anyone
    > > knows of a neutralizing agent for ammonium phosphate/monoammonium
    > > phosphate, I would love to hear from them. As near as I can
    tell,
    > > this is the chemical in ABC fire extinguishers and the firemen
    were
    > > liberal with the use of this stuff. I have vacumed and blown
    for many
    > > hours but I don't think I got it all.
    > >
    > > Thanks
    > >
    > > Joe
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Join BAC today and be a part of the ONLY Type Club for the
    Musketeer
    > series!
    > >
    > > www.beechaeroclub.org
    > >
    > >
    > > Yahoo! Groups Links
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Join BAC today and be a part of the ONLY Type Club for the
    Musketeer series!
    >
    > www.beechaeroclub.org
    >
    >
    > Yahoo! Groups Links
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    >






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  3. #3

    parts needed

    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, mediareps@... wrote:
    >
    > Al Todd, What type of fire extinquisher should we be using inside
    the aircraft? I keep getting conflicting opinions.
    >
    > Tom Corcoran
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Al Todd <av8tor8770m@...>
    > To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com; joe_gug <joe_gug@...>
    > Sent: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:56:09 -0400
    > Subject: Re: [musketeermail] parts needed
    >
    >
    > Hi, That Monomonium Phosphate which is labled as "ABC" agent on
    > extinguishers and is yellow in color, is a high corrosive agent to
    aluminum.
    > The best thing to do is remove the stuff from any surface with in
    12 hours.
    > Missed that one I bet.
    > The stuff will slip under lap joints in aluminum skins and rivit
    heads
    > causing corrosion.
    > Any avionics in the panel can now be sold by the pound as the
    corrosion is
    > as agood as sea water.
    >
    > Now, after all the doom and gloom, I suggest removing everything
    you can
    > from the cabin, do not use any liquids to create a solution, wear a
    > resperator, spend a few hours with an air hose blowing out every
    crevasse,
    > nook and cranny.
    >
    > Then, do it again. You have to get rid of that stuff while it is
    dry, I hope
    > it stayed dry.
    > Your still going to have rivit and lap joint corrosion issues that
    need to
    > be watched for years.
    >
    > You might want to talk with someone about applying a coat of a
    corrosion
    > preventing liquid.
    > I owned a fire company for years and handled ABC chemicals for
    years and saw
    > the corrosive power of that stuff, it is very acidic.
    >
    > Years ago a 747 was down for service and they had major skin and
    rivit
    > corrosion problems on one lower side of the aircraft. They traced
    back that
    > the aircfart was on the ramp when a large ABC wheeled unit was
    used to put
    > out a fire on a large ground power unit that was CLOSE to the
    aircraft.
    > Imagine what is happening with that stuff INSIDE the aircraft.
    >
    > Good luck
    > Al Todd Sierra 9321S
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "joe_gug" <joe_gug@...>
    > To: <musketeermail@yahoogroups.com>
    > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 4:13 PM
    > Subject: [musketeermail] parts needed
    >
    >
    > > Hello to all.
    > >
    > > I am the proud new owner of 1964 A23A N8862M. It had a fire
    under the
    > > dash and bought it from an insurance site. I am in the process
    of
    > > replacing the wiring and most of the plastic parts under the
    dash.
    > > Can anyone give me a good source for these parts. Also, if
    anyone
    > > knows of a neutralizing agent for ammonium phosphate/monoammonium
    > > phosphate, I would love to hear from them. As near as I can
    tell,
    > > this is the chemical in ABC fire extinguishers and the firemen
    were
    > > liberal with the use of this stuff. I have vacumed and blown
    for many
    > > hours but I don't think I got it all.
    > >
    > > Thanks
    > >
    > > Joe
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Join BAC today and be a part of the ONLY Type Club for the
    Musketeer
    > series!
    > >
    > > www.beechaeroclub.org
    > >
    > >
    > > Yahoo! Groups Links
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Join BAC today and be a part of the ONLY Type Club for the
    Musketeer series!
    >
    > www.beechaeroclub.org
    >
    >
    > Yahoo! Groups Links
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    >







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  4. #4

    parts needed

    Would you mind relating what (if anything) has been written in the
    logs since the fire? On or attached to the Bill of Sale? Has the
    airplane data plate been altered?

    Thanks
    Bob
    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "joe_gug" <joe_gug@...> wrote:
    >
    > Hello to all.
    >
    > I am the proud new owner of 1964 A23A N8862M. It had a fire under
    the
    > dash and bought it from an insurance site. I am in the process of
    > replacing the wiring and most of the plastic parts under the
    dash.
    > Can anyone give me a good source for these parts. Also, if anyone
    > knows of a neutralizing agent for ammonium phosphate/monoammonium
    > phosphate, I would love to hear from them. As near as I can tell,
    > this is the chemical in ABC fire extinguishers and the firemen
    were
    > liberal with the use of this stuff. I have vacumed and blown for
    many
    > hours but I don't think I got it all.
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > Joe
    >






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  5. #5

    parts needed

    Halon is the standard aircraft fire extinguishing agent for a number
    of reasons, two of which are weight effectiveness and the fact that
    there is no wet or dry-chem to it. Wet chem extinguishers can short
    things out and make the situation more interesting VERY quickly.
    The plexiglass windows are typically static-charged and draw dry
    chem like magnets. Not that you want to be in an enclosed cabin
    with ANY extiguishant, but most of the dry chems are REALLY nasty
    for inhalation, too. Halon does have its' negatives, to be sure,
    but it also is not corrosive. Like Al, I've worked on some
    airplanes where plain extinguishers have been used and have seen
    corrosion develop within a week!

    As I've said before, once any type of fire begins, shut off
    EVERYTHING not necessary to get to someplace flat enough to make a
    safe landing and get there absolutely ASAP, because the insurance
    company is going to own the airplane.

    Bob

    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, mediareps@... wrote:
    >
    > Al Todd, What type of fire extinquisher should we be using inside
    the aircraft? I keep getting conflicting opinions.
    >
    > Tom Corcoran
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Al Todd <av8tor8770m@...>
    > To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com; joe_gug <joe_gug@...>
    > Sent: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:56:09 -0400
    > Subject: Re: [musketeermail] parts needed
    >
    >
    > Hi, That Monomonium Phosphate which is labled as "ABC" agent on
    > extinguishers and is yellow in color, is a high corrosive agent to
    aluminum.
    > The best thing to do is remove the stuff from any surface with in
    12 hours.
    > Missed that one I bet.
    > The stuff will slip under lap joints in aluminum skins and rivit
    heads
    > causing corrosion.
    > Any avionics in the panel can now be sold by the pound as the
    corrosion is
    > as agood as sea water.
    >
    > Now, after all the doom and gloom, I suggest removing everything
    you can
    > from the cabin, do not use any liquids to create a solution, wear a
    > resperator, spend a few hours with an air hose blowing out every
    crevasse,
    > nook and cranny.
    >
    > Then, do it again. You have to get rid of that stuff while it is
    dry, I hope
    > it stayed dry.
    > Your still going to have rivit and lap joint corrosion issues that
    need to
    > be watched for years.
    >
    > You might want to talk with someone about applying a coat of a
    corrosion
    > preventing liquid.
    > I owned a fire company for years and handled ABC chemicals for
    years and saw
    > the corrosive power of that stuff, it is very acidic.
    >
    > Years ago a 747 was down for service and they had major skin and
    rivit
    > corrosion problems on one lower side of the aircraft. They traced
    back that
    > the aircfart was on the ramp when a large ABC wheeled unit was
    used to put
    > out a fire on a large ground power unit that was CLOSE to the
    aircraft.
    > Imagine what is happening with that stuff INSIDE the aircraft.
    >
    > Good luck
    > Al Todd Sierra 9321S
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "joe_gug" <joe_gug@...>
    > To: <musketeermail@yahoogroups.com>
    > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 4:13 PM
    > Subject: [musketeermail] parts needed
    >
    >
    > > Hello to all.
    > >
    > > I am the proud new owner of 1964 A23A N8862M. It had a fire
    under the
    > > dash and bought it from an insurance site. I am in the process
    of
    > > replacing the wiring and most of the plastic parts under the
    dash.
    > > Can anyone give me a good source for these parts. Also, if
    anyone
    > > knows of a neutralizing agent for ammonium phosphate/monoammonium
    > > phosphate, I would love to hear from them. As near as I can
    tell,
    > > this is the chemical in ABC fire extinguishers and the firemen
    were
    > > liberal with the use of this stuff. I have vacumed and blown
    for many
    > > hours but I don't think I got it all.
    > >
    > > Thanks
    > >
    > > Joe
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Join BAC today and be a part of the ONLY Type Club for the
    Musketeer
    > series!
    > >
    > > www.beechaeroclub.org
    > >
    > >
    > > Yahoo! Groups Links
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Join BAC today and be a part of the ONLY Type Club for the
    Musketeer series!
    >
    > www.beechaeroclub.org
    >
    >
    > Yahoo! Groups Links
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    >







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