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    stuntflyer99 at yahoo.com
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    Hey, where's my tailpipe!?

    Well, I finally made the plunge & bought my new-to-me aircraft… a 1974 Beech Sport. I figured this would be a learning experience, but I ran into an “issue” on my first solo flight. Apparently the “tail-pipe” fell off the muffler before my flight (it was laying on the ground when I got back to the tie-down location). The hot exhaust, having no direct route to escape the cowling, melted part of the fiberglass around the tailpipe opening & blistered the paint around the opening. The plane will need a new muffler & possibly a new lower cowling.
    The gentleman I purchased the aircraft from is a licensed A&P & completed an annual just prior to the sale. In addition, I had the mechanic at my new FBO perform a pre-buy inspection (3hrs of labor) – I ask that he check the mechanical systems to see if the plane was airworthy & if he could find anything wrong mechanically with the plane since I wasn’t qualified to inspect the plane (I can barely change the oil in my car). I made one flight in the Sport with a CFI to get checked out in the make & model. On that flight, the tailpipe managed to stay on the aircraft.
    Okay, here’s my question… does either of these mechanics bear any responsibility in this tailpipe “falling off”? Shouldn’t one of these mechanics have noticed that the exhaust system was so corroded that the tailpipe fell off? These guys are licensed & I’m putting my safety (& the safety of my passengers) in their hands.
    Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
    -Steve

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    Hey, where's my tailpipe!?

    Hate when that happens. Ended up with 2 cracked jugs myself, right after an
    annual & mech ended up replacing 'em at his cost.

    I'd say that its fortunate it happened right away, wasn't worse & that 2
    mechs had a look before. Easy to get upset about it -- I'd approach both first
    & see if something could be worked out.

    Muffler assy may have looked fine upon a visual inspection & not sure if
    anything more is required unless something's clearly wrong like motor not
    running right due to blockage..or clearly looking ugly from the outside.

    Seems like a stretch the that the pipe would fall off so quick after 2
    inspections & not noted in inspections but..better in regards to recourse.. I'd
    think a pipe that departed so quick would've show signs upon a visual
    inspection that more attention was warranted. Maybe trying to wriggle it back &
    forth. Having a look at what's left off the muffler (& pipe) might help in showing
    that it was clearly evident that the pipe was about to fall off.

    I'd also think there'd be an onus on the mechs, or in their best interests
    to try to work something out. Don't imagine the feds would look on the
    situation to lightly if contacted.

    I also had a muff that was shot internally & only found about it in a
    roundabout way when the muffler assy was disassembled for other reasons. Only then
    was it evident that it was shot internally. Fortunately, my muffler didn't
    spit the pipe.

    In a message dated 5/2/2006 4:07:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
    stuntflyer99@yahoo.com writes:

    Well, I finally made the plunge & bought my new-to-me aircraft… a 1974 Beech
    Sport. I figured this would be a learning experience, but I ran into an “
    issue” on my first solo flight. Apparently the “tail-pipe” fell off the
    muffler before my flight (it was laying on the ground when I got back to the
    tie-down location). The hot exhaust, having no direct route to escape the cowling,
    melted part of the fiberglass around the tailpipe opening & blistered the
    paint around the opening. The plane will need a new muffler & possibly a new
    lower cowling.
    The gentleman I purchased the aircraft from is a licensed A&P & completed an
    annual just prior to the sale. In addition, I had the mechanic at my new FBO
    perform a pre-buy inspection (3hrs of labor) – I ask that he check the
    mechanical systems to see if the plane was airworthy & if he could find anything
    wrong mechanically with the plane since I wasn’t qualified to inspect the
    plane (I can barely change the oil in my car). I made one flight in the Sport
    with a CFI to get checked out in the make & model. On that flight, the tailpipe
    managed to stay on the aircraft.
    Okay, here’s my question… does either of these mechanics bear any
    responsibility in this tailpipe “falling off”? Shouldn’t one of these mechanics have
    noticed that the exhaust system was so corroded that the tailpipe fell off?
    These guys are licensed & I’m putting my safety (& the safety of my
    passengers) in their hands.
    Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
    -Steve





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    Hey, where's my tailpipe!?

    My tailpipe fit loose in my muffler when I bought my
    plane. It stayed that way for the first year too. It
    seemed that it was OK, and the pins that held it in
    place wouldn't take the slack out it. Maybe your
    mechanic thought the same thing? We put a new muffler
    on at annual, and when we had it all apart we were
    able to go back together tight with everything.

    Alot of these things you can't tell about. Last year,
    my vaccum pump when south 3 hours after annual.

    Jay

    --- Bigbajon@aol.com wrote:

    >
    > Hate when that happens. Ended up with 2 cracked jugs
    > myself, right after an
    > annual & mech ended up replacing 'em at his cost.
    >
    > I'd say that its fortunate it happened right away,
    > wasn't worse & that 2
    > mechs had a look before. Easy to get upset about it
    > -- I'd approach both first
    > & see if something could be worked out.
    >
    > Muffler assy may have looked fine upon a visual
    > inspection & not sure if
    > anything more is required unless something's clearly
    > wrong like motor not
    > running right due to blockage..or clearly looking
    > ugly from the outside.
    >
    > Seems like a stretch the that the pipe would fall
    > off so quick after 2
    > inspections & not noted in inspections but..better
    > in regards to recourse.. I'd
    > think a pipe that departed so quick would've show
    > signs upon a visual
    > inspection that more attention was warranted. Maybe
    > trying to wriggle it back &
    > forth. Having a look at what's left off the muffler
    > (& pipe) might help in showing
    > that it was clearly evident that the pipe was about
    > to fall off.
    >
    > I'd also think there'd be an onus on the mechs, or
    > in their best interests
    > to try to work something out. Don't imagine the feds
    > would look on the
    > situation to lightly if contacted.
    >
    > I also had a muff that was shot internally & only
    > found about it in a
    > roundabout way when the muffler assy was
    > disassembled for other reasons. Only then
    > was it evident that it was shot internally.
    > Fortunately, my muffler didn't
    > spit the pipe.
    >
    > In a message dated 5/2/2006 4:07:09 P.M. Eastern
    > Standard Time,
    > stuntflyer99@yahoo.com writes:
    >
    > Well, I finally made the plunge & bought my
    > new-to-me aircraft… a 1974 Beech
    > Sport. I figured this would be a learning
    > experience, but I ran into an “
    > issue” on my first solo flight. Apparently the
    > “tail-pipe” fell off the
    > muffler before my flight (it was laying on the
    > ground when I got back to the
    > tie-down location). The hot exhaust, having no
    > direct route to escape the cowling,
    > melted part of the fiberglass around the tailpipe
    > opening & blistered the
    > paint around the opening. The plane will need a new
    > muffler & possibly a new
    > lower cowling.
    > The gentleman I purchased the aircraft from is a
    > licensed A&P & completed an
    > annual just prior to the sale. In addition, I had
    > the mechanic at my new FBO
    > perform a pre-buy inspection (3hrs of labor) – I
    > ask that he check the
    > mechanical systems to see if the plane was
    > airworthy & if he could find anything
    > wrong mechanically with the plane since I wasn’t
    > qualified to inspect the
    > plane (I can barely change the oil in my car). I
    > made one flight in the Sport
    > with a CFI to get checked out in the make & model.
    > On that flight, the tailpipe
    > managed to stay on the aircraft.
    > Okay, here’s my question… does either of these
    > mechanics bear any
    > responsibility in this tailpipe “falling off”?
    > Shouldn’t one of these mechanics have
    > noticed that the exhaust system was so corroded
    > that the tailpipe fell off?
    > These guys are licensed & I’m putting my safety
    > (& the safety of my
    > passengers) in their hands.
    > Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
    > -Steve
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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