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    A23-24 For Sale

    Hi all,

    One of the nicest Musketeers out there is for sale. Please take a look
    at: http://www.aerotraderonline.com/addetail.html?85508487

    It is loaded!
    Model: A23-24
    Horsepower: 200hp
    Total Time: 3470
    Engine Total Time: 620
    Prop Total Time: 620

    -- Avionics --
    TERRA TMA -340 Audio/Marker Panel
    TERRA Digital NavComs w/ Glideslopes
    TERRA TRI-NAV/COMM W/ GLIDESLOPE
    King KR-86 ADF
    Nacro DME
    Nacro AT-150

    -- Equipment --
    BFGoodrich Wx 900 Stormscope
    JPI EDM-700 Engine Monitor
    Shadin Miniflow Digital Fuel Flow
    Stec 40 Autopilot
    PS Engineering PM1000 II 4 place intercomm with stereo jack input
    PAI-700 Vertical card compass
    Horizon P-1000 Digital Tachometer
    Whelen Strobes
    Heated Pitot
    ADC remote oil filter
    Air/Oil separator
    Simulated Landing gear switch
    Low vacuum indicator light
    Dual attitude and DG indicators
    Avionics master
    Digital Clock & flight timer
    Madras wing tips
    Cleveland Wheels & Brakes
    60gals with 58.8 Usable
    12 volt power receptacle

    I hate to let it go. But, a new baby will be here in a couple of
    weeks. So long to the toys.






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    A23-24 For Sale

    sorry, I don't mean to waste your time here, I see that you list Madras wing tips. Did you fly the plane before the tips were put on? If so, what cruise, and stall characteristics changed with them.

    I had a set on my A23-24 that were put on incorrectly and lined up to badly out of rig ailerons. I put the ratty old factory hoerner style tips back on and fixxed the rigging. I havn't tried stalls since, but with the tips on I noticed a violent poweroff stall, with huge pitch changes, and power on, the plane was flying sideways despite full rudder. My instructor had pity on my and didn't make me break the power on stall. I knew it would have spiralled.

    Long story short, I'm trying to decide if I want to glass over the holes in the Madras tips and reinstall them. The STC says that I have to lose 125lbs of usefull load, so I wonder if there is a benifit over the Hoerner style tips. Some insight on the actual changes the tips make would be appreciated. Good luck with your sale.

    Joe Ashment

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    I had the tips added to a 1970 A24 after a hanger incident that cracked
    the factory tips. I found no decrease in cruise, landings were slower,
    stalls were a non-event. Most times nose just bobbed up and down. If you
    were uncoordinated prior to the stall and the ball was off one side, you
    would drop a wing, but quickly recovers when you coordinate again. It
    doesn't spiral line a Bonanza.

    Sounds like things were really out of whack.


    John Rutkowski

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    A23-24 For Sale

    I had the tips on a 1978 C23, and found all these to
    be true as well. I still don't understand the decrease
    in legal load, and my plane performed better.


    Dan Kirby

    --- John Rutkowski <jr@bdesigns.com> wrote:

    > I had the tips added to a 1970 A24 after a hanger
    > incident that cracked
    > the factory tips. I found no decrease in cruise,
    > landings were slower,
    > stalls were a non-event. Most times nose just bobbed
    > up and down. If you
    > were uncoordinated prior to the stall and the ball
    > was off one side, you
    > would drop a wing, but quickly recovers when you
    > coordinate again. It
    > doesn't spiral line a Bonanza.
    >
    > Sounds like things were really out of whack.
    >
    >
    > John Rutkowski
    >
    > Newark DE 19711
    >
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    > removed]
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  5. #5

    A23-24 For Sale

    Dan:
    The topic on weight reduction due to droopped tips was discussed in
    detail about a year-and-a-half ago and this discussion should be in the
    archives. Briefly stated, here's what happens.

    Any wing tip that droops down (or up) to the extent that the Madras tips
    do causes the spanwise center of lift to shift further outboard (keep in
    mind that the total lift of the wing stays the same and is equal to the
    weight of the plane in steady flight). This shift of the center of lift
    towards
    the out board causes an increase in moment at the wing root and increases
    the stress of the spar. This increase in stress requires that the wing
    be
    re-certified to the new stresses, which is a very expenssive proposition.
    In lieu of this the FAA accepts a reduction in weight to compensate.
    It has been said that the musketeer is built strong enough to have
    sufficient margin to accept the increase in the spar stress, but the FAA
    needs
    proof (either analytical or experimental).
    Bill Passinos


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