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    Thinking about an A23 - looked at the plane

    Sorry this is long, but I'm thinking out loud so I can get comments...

    Thanks everyone for such quick responses... I went and looked at the plane
    yesterday - here's my "review" of it:

    '63 A23 Musketeer
    160hp lyc w/800h SMOH
    AFTT 2800h
    IFR w/King avionics - it also appears that someone redid the panel to a
    standard 6-pack.
    Clean interior and exterior

    As mentioned it is a 23, not an A - that is my typo (read lack of knowledge
    of beech products). The airframe is pretty clean - there was some hail
    damage a few years ago, but its cosmetic damage only. The last annual was
    1/05 and had quite a few things done - new tires/tubes, seal the windshield,
    clean plugs, replaced all the SCAT tubing, new muffler, some new hoses, new
    ign switch, and a few other things. The glass is clean and mostly scratch
    free. No log entry regarding the gear doughnuts - very likely original.

    The engine was overhauled in '79. So assuming equal use (which I'm sure
    didn't happen based on logs) it averaged 30hrs a year. More likely it
    accumulated them in a few years (there were 6~8 100hr inspections in the log
    - training or commercial use, I don't know). It is supposedly up to date on
    all the ADs (I saw the 1 piece venturi -> 2 piece -> piece & something about
    an oil pump drive gear). This engine isn't affected by the crank AD is it?
    (360s and up?)

    Airframe TT is shown to be 2800hrs, but honestly I didn't see a hobbs. So
    that may be tach time, making the hrs a bit higher.

    The avionics - the (Motorola) radios were replaced in 1990 (per logs) with
    used king 170Bs. The radios "work" (receive - I didn't test transmit), but
    definitely show their age. I'd be comfortable leaving one for com2, but I
    think I'd need to at min switch one with a Michel KX-170C. The CDIs show
    their age, but look useable. It doesn't have an intercom, but it does have
    some mysterious jacks in the panel - appears to be mic/phone on the left and
    just phone on the right. The seller says he uses a portable intercom and it
    works fine... Didn't say it was included though, so I guess that is
    something I'll have to buy...

    The standard 6-pack is the way the plane was equipped - or appears so...
    Original DG, the AI looks clean, but could be original too..

    The interior: cleanish - it needs some TLC, but nothing serious. There
    aren't any rips in the seats or stains in the carpet, but the plastic pieces
    are cracked on the roof/doors as to be expected in a 43 year old plane. Is
    any of the plastic stuff available? I'm not too concerned about it, it
    doesn't affect how it fly's

    The exterior: the paint is chalky everywhere and badly faded on all
    horizontal surfaces - an old repaint and its been sitting in the sun since.
    I've painted 3 cars, I may be tempted to try and paint the plane - getting
    an a&p involved as necessary for control surface removal, balancing,
    install, re-rig as required.

    In a nutshell - it is a little used "low time" plane that has done a lot of
    sitting on the ground. It needs a radio(s), gear bushings (based on age)
    and likely a top overhaul. I'd love to stuff a 430 in it but I'm not
    parting with the 10k or so required to install it. This is my cost
    analysis:

    Asking price 28k - there is a 76 on the field (150hp) for 30k in
    annual/flyable now with much better avionics.
    NAAA Value: Average paint, Average Interior, King Avionics: 17,750 (poor
    paint: 15,050)
    Average of the two - 22,875
    Cost of top overhaul - 4k
    Annual - 1000
    Gear bushings - 1800
    Plane value without these things done - $16,075

    I'm seriously doubting he's going to take that - Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm
    thinking maybe I should just walk away. I wouldn't take it into the soup
    without KNOWING that the engine and radios are going to perform. Heck, I'd
    have issues taking it more than an hours drive from home VFR without KNOWING
    the engine was going to perform...

    Sorry it was so long - but I do look forward to your input.

    The more I think about it, perhaps I should go look at the other one on the
    field - how does the 150hp perform?

    Tyson


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    Thinking about an A23 - looked at the plane

    My thought of it is: think if that were your plane right now, and you were selling it. How much would you want? Split that number with what your willing to pay now, and you may have a fair offer.

    The insurance co AOPA-IA helped me to pick an insured value, 36,500 for my '67 Super III, older engine, premo condition inside with good avionics, and O.K. paint with ugly stripes. Otherwise, they said 32,000 is adequate for the A23-34.

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