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    Glider tow with A23-19A

    I plan to install a tow hook for sailplane tow on a Musketeer. Has
    anybody experience or is anybody out there who knows somebody who did
    that before? Happy about any hint! Rolf Dunder, RolfDunder@hotmail.com



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    Glider tow with A23-19A

    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "rolfdunder" <RolfDunder@...>
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    > I plan to install a tow hook for sailplane tow on a Musketeer. Has
    > anybody experience or is anybody out there who knows somebody who
    did
    > that before? Happy about any hint! Rolf Dunder, RolfDunder@...
    >
    I don't think I'd try it.

    I doubt you'd have enough power.

    Cloyd




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    Glider tow with A23-19A

    I think you would have enough power (it takes very little to pull a sailplane), but would be unable to see the sailplane pilot's signals (no rear view in a x23). I am a sailplane pilot (as well as Mouse owner), and have never seen or heard of a Mouse of any type being used for that task (I have seen a/c with quite small HP output, though...)

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    Having dragged the odd glider around the sky using a Super Cub I cant see there being a problem using a Mouse. You'd need to keep it light and not carry full fuel but it'd be possible. I'd hope you'd be doing this in a gliding club environment where you have several experienced helpers at launch. You need one on the wing of the glider and one in eye contact with the tug pilot. then a series of hand signals leads to a launch. I know places that use C-152's as tugs. You would need some sort of mirror fitted so you can see the glider, and I'm sure there would be paperwork regarding the attachment of the rope and its emergency release mechanism. Also its important to be trained as a tug pilot as gliders up back can do some scary things that need prompt action. Low down your best friend is the glider release!!!!!!!!!

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    Glider tow with A23-19A

    I don't think HP is the problem, as we have towed banners with a cherokee 140, Not a good choice, but we used to do it, and a banner is more drag than a sailplane. I agree with Paul, the signals would be the problem.

    Dan Kirby, Sierra N9299S

    Paul Sergeant <paul.sergeant@yahoo.com> wrote:
    I think you would have enough power (it takes very little to pull a sailplane), but would be unable to see the sailplane pilot's signals (no rear view in a x23). I am a sailplane pilot (as well as Mouse owner), and have never seen or heard of a Mouse of any type being used for that task (I have seen a/c with quite small HP output, though...)

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    Glider tow with A23-19A

    Well then would there be enough horsepower to pull a sailplane with
    a handheld inside it?

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    > I don't think HP is the problem, as we have towed banners with a
    cherokee 140, Not a good choice, but we used to do it, and a banner
    is more drag than a sailplane. I agree with Paul, the signals would
    be the problem.
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    > Paul Sergeant <paul.sergeant@...> wrote:
    > I think you would have enough power (it takes very little to
    pull a sailplane), but would be unable to see the sailplane pilot's
    signals (no rear view in a x23). I am a sailplane pilot (as well as
    Mouse owner), and have never seen or heard of a Mouse of any type
    being used for that task (I have seen a/c with quite small HP
    output, though...)
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    Considering for many years I dragged around gliders with no radios needing a hand held would be the least of anyones concerns. Even on tow there are signals between glider and tug. In Australia we do low tow...Glider below tug...when glider is ready to release (usually you can anticipate it at between 2,000 and 3,000) he climbs level pops off and turns right....Tug then turns left in a steep descending turn.
    Its now mandatory to have radios in gliders but there isnt a lot of chat goes on between glider and tug even now....
    Like I said before they use old C-152's and Rallyes in the UK for towing. backward vis is always accomplished with a mirror, not by continually looking over your shoulder. It would be possible. I suppose the question I'd ask is with so many more suitable tugs around why you'd want to?

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    We tow gliders in CAP and have used 200hp+ maules to do the job, but recently CAP got rid of all the maules and we have had and do use 172's, BUT!!!! the 180hp in those aircraft and any kind of summer day makes towing an extreme sport qualifyer. I agree on previous posts, get properly qualified thru a club or CAP.

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    Glider tow with A23-19A

    Nobody has said anything about towing SPEED, yet. I doubt that you can
    safely tow a glider at 90 to 100 MPH, and you would not want to fly a
    heavily loaded (power wise) Musketeer under 85 MPH. Most glider towing is
    done between 45 and 65 MPH.





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    I don't think HP is the problem, as we have towed banners with a cherokee
    140, Not a good choice, but we used to do it, and a banner is more drag than
    a sailplane. I agree with Paul, the signals would be the problem.

    Dan Kirby, Sierra N9299S

    Paul Sergeant < <mailtoaul.sergeant%40yahoo.com> paul.sergeant@yahoo.com>
    wrote:
    I think you would have enough power (it takes very little to pull a
    sailplane), but would be unable to see the sailplane pilot's signals (no
    rear view in a x23). I am a sailplane pilot (as well as Mouse owner), and
    have never seen or heard of a Mouse of any type being used for that task (I
    have seen a/c with quite small HP output, though...)

    Paul
    (C23 N6349C)

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