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  1. #1

    Sierra Propeller Damage

    One of my "helpful" passengers brought the Powertow out for me to push
    the plane back into the hanger. In the process they pushed it into the
    propeller and put a deep gouge into the blade. It was examined by my
    AP/IA and he gave me the bad news that I suspected. The prop has to
    come off and be sent out and will probably need a blade replacement
    (It's a McCauley constant speed) rough estimate $1000 plus parts and
    the blade is probably $1500-$2000. Secondly due to the new AD crank
    gear must be replaced if "any damage to the propeller is more severe
    than can be repaired with a file" approximately another $1200 parts &
    labor (labor rate is about $80 per hour) Total cost between $4,000-
    $5,000 ouch. Is this something that I should discuss with my insurance
    company? How much more per year will my insurance go up?

    Bob Palamara
    '72 Sierra
    9707L




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  2. #2

    Sierra Propeller Damage

    I'd definitely talk to your insurance company. That's what it's for.
    I'm assuming you have coverage for damages while not-in-motion.

    Dennis




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  3. #3

    Sierra Propeller Damage

    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "n18996" <dennis.moyes@v...>
    wrote:
    > I'd definitely talk to your insurance company. That's what it's for.
    > I'm assuming you have coverage for damages while not-in-motion.
    >
    > Dennis

    I second the motion - just put in the claim. When the nearly identical
    thing happened to me, my insurance premium went up, as best I recall,
    about $600, for an $8K claim. In 3 years you'll have worked it off
    when you switch to a new insurance company. That's my experience,
    anyway.

    Craig MacCallum
    Sierra N525SB
    Montclair, NJ




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  4. #4

    Sierra Propeller Damage

    I would think that the AD would only apply in an engine running type of situation as opposed to something running into the an idle prop. Did they explain the 'why' behind this?

    Gerald

    bpalamara1 <bpalamara@comcast.net> wrote:
    One of my "helpful" passengers brought the Powertow out for me to push
    the plane back into the hanger. In the process they pushed it into the
    propeller and put a deep gouge into the blade. It was examined by my
    AP/IA and he gave me the bad news that I suspected. The prop has to
    come off and be sent out and will probably need a blade replacement
    (It's a McCauley constant speed) rough estimate $1000 plus parts and
    the blade is probably $1500-$2000. Secondly due to the new AD crank
    gear must be replaced if "any damage to the propeller is more severe
    than can be repaired with a file" approximately another $1200 parts &
    labor (labor rate is about $80 per hour) Total cost between $4,000-
    $5,000 ouch. Is this something that I should discuss with my insurance
    company? How much more per year will my insurance go up?

    Bob Palamara
    '72 Sierra
    9707L




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  5. #5

    Sierra Propeller Damage

    Bob,

    I have adopted a policy of never using a power tow of
    any kind on a sierra. (unless no other choice)
    I had a friend tow my sierra with a converted golf
    cart, and he turned it past the limits. there was no
    problem with the steering on taxi, and the gear
    retracted normally, and the plane flew fine. When I
    extended the gear the nose gear was jammed in the
    wheel well and didn't come down. After what seemed
    like an eternity of flybys, stalls, G's, slices,
    slips, and probably some manuevers that don't exist, I
    was able to work the nose gear down and locked, but at
    90 degrees. I felt there was a good chance this good
    old trailing link beech gear would caster, and it did.
    No steering, but brake steering worked fine.
    Bottom line, the tow cracked/bent the steering link,
    and it broke on retraction. It is what turns the gear
    90 degrees, as it goes into the well. Had the gear not
    come down, It would have been an expensive tow.
    Just my opinion.

    Dan Kirby, Sierra N9299S

    --- Gerald Jackson <g_v_jackson@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > I would think that the AD would only apply in an
    > engine running type of situation as opposed to
    > something running into the an idle prop. Did they
    > explain the 'why' behind this?
    >
    > Gerald
    >
    > bpalamara1 <bpalamara@comcast.net> wrote:
    > One of my "helpful" passengers brought the Powertow
    > out for me to push
    > the plane back into the hanger. In the process they
    > pushed it into the
    > propeller and put a deep gouge into the blade. It
    > was examined by my
    > AP/IA and he gave me the bad news that I suspected.
    > The prop has to
    > come off and be sent out and will probably need a
    > blade replacement
    > (It's a McCauley constant speed) rough estimate
    > $1000 plus parts and
    > the blade is probably $1500-$2000. Secondly due to
    > the new AD crank
    > gear must be replaced if "any damage to the
    > propeller is more severe
    > than can be repaired with a file" approximately
    > another $1200 parts &
    > labor (labor rate is about $80 per hour) Total cost
    > between $4,000-
    > $5,000 ouch. Is this something that I should
    > discuss with my insurance
    > company? How much more per year will my insurance
    > go up?
    >
    > Bob Palamara
    > '72 Sierra
    > 9707L
    >
    >
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  6. #6

    Sierra Propeller Damage

    Final outcome (I Think) one blade damaged not repairable. McCauley 2
    blade propeller is obsolete and they no longer make threaded blades.
    Prop shop checked around to see if serviceable blades are available.
    No Good. THe only option is the three blade kit. Estimate Prop Kit
    $9086.00 Freight $200.00 - Dynamic Balance $250.00 - AD 04-10-14
    $1,845.09 other freight, sales tax and misc charges $1152 Total
    repair $12,443.56. AIG said to send the estimate, digital pictures
    of the damage to the blade and logs, we'll process the claim and send
    a check.

    Sounds way to easy, I guess I have to brace myself for higher rates.
    Good news is I have my insurance through Norris and BAC. We are part
    of the Bonanza group and my $100 deductible will be waived. I guess
    I can pay next years dues. If anyone is thinking about the prop
    conversion I found them available at Yingling Aviation in Wichata for
    $7295 which was almost $1,000 lower than anyone else quoted.

    Bob Palamara
    9707L
    '72 Sierra

    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, Ann Kirby <abk100@y...> wrote:
    > Bob,
    >
    > I have adopted a policy of never using a power tow of
    > any kind on a sierra. (unless no other choice)
    > I had a friend tow my sierra with a converted golf
    > cart, and he turned it past the limits. there was no
    > problem with the steering on taxi, and the gear
    > retracted normally, and the plane flew fine. When I
    > extended the gear the nose gear was jammed in the
    > wheel well and didn't come down. After what seemed
    > like an eternity of flybys, stalls, G's, slices,
    > slips, and probably some manuevers that don't exist, I
    > was able to work the nose gear down and locked, but at
    > 90 degrees. I felt there was a good chance this good
    > old trailing link beech gear would caster, and it did.
    > No steering, but brake steering worked fine.
    > Bottom line, the tow cracked/bent the steering link,
    > and it broke on retraction. It is what turns the gear
    > 90 degrees, as it goes into the well. Had the gear not
    > come down, It would have been an expensive tow.
    > Just my opinion.
    >
    > Dan Kirby, Sierra N9299S
    >
    > --- Gerald Jackson <g_v_jackson@y...> wrote:
    >
    > > I would think that the AD would only apply in an
    > > engine running type of situation as opposed to
    > > something running into the an idle prop. Did they
    > > explain the 'why' behind this?
    > >
    > > Gerald
    > >
    > > bpalamara1 <bpalamara@c...> wrote:
    > > One of my "helpful" passengers brought the Powertow
    > > out for me to push
    > > the plane back into the hanger. In the process they
    > > pushed it into the
    > > propeller and put a deep gouge into the blade. It
    > > was examined by my
    > > AP/IA and he gave me the bad news that I suspected.
    > > The prop has to
    > > come off and be sent out and will probably need a
    > > blade replacement
    > > (It's a McCauley constant speed) rough estimate
    > > $1000 plus parts and
    > > the blade is probably $1500-$2000. Secondly due to
    > > the new AD crank
    > > gear must be replaced if "any damage to the
    > > propeller is more severe
    > > than can be repaired with a file" approximately
    > > another $1200 parts &
    > > labor (labor rate is about $80 per hour) Total cost
    > > between $4,000-
    > > $5,000 ouch. Is this something that I should
    > > discuss with my insurance
    > > company? How much more per year will my insurance
    > > go up?
    > >
    > > Bob Palamara
    > > '72 Sierra
    > > 9707L
    > >
    > >
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  7. #7

    Sierra Propeller Damage

    Got everything to AIG yesterday. Pretty simple copies of my logbook
    and the airframe, engine & propeller logs, title pages and the last 4
    pages of each and some digital pictures along with the estimate
    below. Got a call late yesterday from AIG saying they have everything
    and would review it. The call came back at 5PM today about a day
    later. They said they had the estimate and it was fine. However the
    prop was way beyond overhaul. Therefore they thought it was fair
    that I pay 50% of a prop overhaul of $1500. He said he would mail
    out the check for the $12,443.56 less the $750 and I should have it
    in a few days.

    NEVER had an insurance claim go so easily in my life. I had
    authorized the work anyhow and the plane was returned to my hanger
    this afternoon. Also the opinion of everyone that looked at it
    thinks it got hit by debris on a taxiway. I think the value should
    go up some with this modification.

    By the way, what does everyone recommend for keeping my new spinner
    shined up?

    Again worth mentioning. NO DEDUCTIBLE because the BAC is lumped in
    with the Bonanza group and I bought my policy there last year.

    Bob Palamara
    9707L


    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "bpalamara1" <bpalamara@c...>
    wrote:
    > Final outcome (I Think) one blade damaged not repairable. McCauley
    2
    > blade propeller is obsolete and they no longer make threaded
    blades.
    > Prop shop checked around to see if serviceable blades are
    available.
    > No Good. THe only option is the three blade kit. Estimate Prop
    Kit
    > $9086.00 Freight $200.00 - Dynamic Balance $250.00 - AD 04-10-14
    > $1,845.09 other freight, sales tax and misc charges $1152 Total
    > repair $12,443.56. AIG said to send the estimate, digital pictures
    > of the damage to the blade and logs, we'll process the claim and
    send
    > a check.
    >
    > Sounds way to easy, I guess I have to brace myself for higher
    rates.
    > Good news is I have my insurance through Norris and BAC. We are
    part
    > of the Bonanza group and my $100 deductible will be waived. I
    guess
    > I can pay next years dues. If anyone is thinking about the prop
    > conversion I found them available at Yingling Aviation in Wichata
    for
    > $7295 which was almost $1,000 lower than anyone else quoted.
    >
    > Bob Palamara
    > 9707L
    > '72 Sierra
    >
    > --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, Ann Kirby <abk100@y...> wrote:
    > > Bob,
    > >
    > > I have adopted a policy of never using a power tow of
    > > any kind on a sierra. (unless no other choice)
    > > I had a friend tow my sierra with a converted golf
    > > cart, and he turned it past the limits. there was no
    > > problem with the steering on taxi, and the gear
    > > retracted normally, and the plane flew fine. When I
    > > extended the gear the nose gear was jammed in the
    > > wheel well and didn't come down. After what seemed
    > > like an eternity of flybys, stalls, G's, slices,
    > > slips, and probably some manuevers that don't exist, I
    > > was able to work the nose gear down and locked, but at
    > > 90 degrees. I felt there was a good chance this good
    > > old trailing link beech gear would caster, and it did.
    > > No steering, but brake steering worked fine.
    > > Bottom line, the tow cracked/bent the steering link,
    > > and it broke on retraction. It is what turns the gear
    > > 90 degrees, as it goes into the well. Had the gear not
    > > come down, It would have been an expensive tow.
    > > Just my opinion.
    > >
    > > Dan Kirby, Sierra N9299S
    > >
    > > --- Gerald Jackson <g_v_jackson@y...> wrote:
    > >
    > > > I would think that the AD would only apply in an
    > > > engine running type of situation as opposed to
    > > > something running into the an idle prop. Did they
    > > > explain the 'why' behind this?
    > > >
    > > > Gerald
    > > >
    > > > bpalamara1 <bpalamara@c...> wrote:
    > > > One of my "helpful" passengers brought the Powertow
    > > > out for me to push
    > > > the plane back into the hanger. In the process they
    > > > pushed it into the
    > > > propeller and put a deep gouge into the blade. It
    > > > was examined by my
    > > > AP/IA and he gave me the bad news that I suspected.
    > > > The prop has to
    > > > come off and be sent out and will probably need a
    > > > blade replacement
    > > > (It's a McCauley constant speed) rough estimate
    > > > $1000 plus parts and
    > > > the blade is probably $1500-$2000. Secondly due to
    > > > the new AD crank
    > > > gear must be replaced if "any damage to the
    > > > propeller is more severe
    > > > than can be repaired with a file" approximately
    > > > another $1200 parts &
    > > > labor (labor rate is about $80 per hour) Total cost
    > > > between $4,000-
    > > > $5,000 ouch. Is this something that I should
    > > > discuss with my insurance
    > > > company? How much more per year will my insurance
    > > > go up?
    > > >
    > > > Bob Palamara
    > > > '72 Sierra
    > > > 9707L
    > > >
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  8. #8

    Sierra Propeller Damage

    Did you have to do the engine teardown?



    -----Original Message-----
    From: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:musketeermail@yahoogroups.com]
    On Behalf Of bpalamara1
    Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:56 PM
    To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [musketeermail] Re: Sierra Propeller Damage



    Got everything to AIG yesterday. Pretty simple copies of my logbook
    and the airframe, engine & propeller logs, title pages and the last 4
    pages of each and some digital pictures along with the estimate
    below. Got a call late yesterday from AIG saying they have everything
    and would review it. The call came back at 5PM today about a day
    later. They said they had the estimate and it was fine. However the
    prop was way beyond overhaul. Therefore they thought it was fair
    that I pay 50% of a prop overhaul of $1500. He said he would mail
    out the check for the $12,443.56 less the $750 and I should have it
    in a few days.

    NEVER had an insurance claim go so easily in my life. I had
    authorized the work anyhow and the plane was returned to my hanger
    this afternoon. Also the opinion of everyone that looked at it
    thinks it got hit by debris on a taxiway. I think the value should
    go up some with this modification.

    By the way, what does everyone recommend for keeping my new spinner
    shined up?

    Again worth mentioning. NO DEDUCTIBLE because the BAC is lumped in
    with the Bonanza group and I bought my policy there last year.

    Bob Palamara
    9707L


    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "bpalamara1" <bpalamara@c...>
    wrote:
    > Final outcome (I Think) one blade damaged not repairable. McCauley
    2
    > blade propeller is obsolete and they no longer make threaded
    blades.
    > Prop shop checked around to see if serviceable blades are
    available.
    > No Good. THe only option is the three blade kit. Estimate Prop
    Kit
    > $9086.00 Freight $200.00 - Dynamic Balance $250.00 - AD 04-10-14
    > $1,845.09 other freight, sales tax and misc charges $1152 Total
    > repair $12,443.56. AIG said to send the estimate, digital pictures
    > of the damage to the blade and logs, we'll process the claim and
    send
    > a check.
    >
    > Sounds way to easy, I guess I have to brace myself for higher
    rates.
    > Good news is I have my insurance through Norris and BAC. We are
    part
    > of the Bonanza group and my $100 deductible will be waived. I
    guess
    > I can pay next years dues. If anyone is thinking about the prop
    > conversion I found them available at Yingling Aviation in Wichata
    for
    > $7295 which was almost $1,000 lower than anyone else quoted.
    >
    > Bob Palamara
    > 9707L
    > '72 Sierra
    >
    > --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, Ann Kirby <abk100@y...> wrote:
    > > Bob,
    > >
    > > I have adopted a policy of never using a power tow of
    > > any kind on a sierra. (unless no other choice)
    > > I had a friend tow my sierra with a converted golf
    > > cart, and he turned it past the limits. there was no
    > > problem with the steering on taxi, and the gear
    > > retracted normally, and the plane flew fine. When I
    > > extended the gear the nose gear was jammed in the
    > > wheel well and didn't come down. After what seemed
    > > like an eternity of flybys, stalls, G's, slices,
    > > slips, and probably some manuevers that don't exist, I
    > > was able to work the nose gear down and locked, but at
    > > 90 degrees. I felt there was a good chance this good
    > > old trailing link beech gear would caster, and it did.
    > > No steering, but brake steering worked fine.
    > > Bottom line, the tow cracked/bent the steering link,
    > > and it broke on retraction. It is what turns the gear
    > > 90 degrees, as it goes into the well. Had the gear not
    > > come down, It would have been an expensive tow.
    > > Just my opinion.
    > >
    > > Dan Kirby, Sierra N9299S
    > >
    > > --- Gerald Jackson <g_v_jackson@y...> wrote:
    > >
    > > > I would think that the AD would only apply in an
    > > > engine running type of situation as opposed to
    > > > something running into the an idle prop. Did they
    > > > explain the 'why' behind this?
    > > >
    > > > Gerald
    > > >
    > > > bpalamara1 <bpalamara@c...> wrote:
    > > > One of my "helpful" passengers brought the Powertow
    > > > out for me to push
    > > > the plane back into the hanger. In the process they
    > > > pushed it into the
    > > > propeller and put a deep gouge into the blade. It
    > > > was examined by my
    > > > AP/IA and he gave me the bad news that I suspected.
    > > > The prop has to
    > > > come off and be sent out and will probably need a
    > > > blade replacement
    > > > (It's a McCauley constant speed) rough estimate
    > > > $1000 plus parts and
    > > > the blade is probably $1500-$2000. Secondly due to
    > > > the new AD crank
    > > > gear must be replaced if "any damage to the
    > > > propeller is more severe
    > > > than can be repaired with a file" approximately
    > > > another $1200 parts &
    > > > labor (labor rate is about $80 per hour) Total cost
    > > > between $4,000-
    > > > $5,000 ouch. Is this something that I should
    > > > discuss with my insurance
    > > > company? How much more per year will my insurance
    > > > go up?
    > > >
    > > > Bob Palamara
    > > > '72 Sierra
    > > > 9707L
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    Sierra Propeller Damage

    My recommendation for polishing your spinner and car wheels, ect. is Never Dull. Stuff is great, used it on polished wheels on my car which I could never keep clean and it works fine. This product looks like insulation but does it shine without hardly and effort.


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