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  1. #1

    How to get a plane from Kansas city to Arizona?

    I have reached an agreement with a gentleman for a sundowner in Kansas City.
    My problem--I don't have my license yet--have not even soloed yet. Should I
    (1) pay someone to fly the plane out here and have annual done here (want an
    annual rather than pre-buy since it is more through) or (2) should I send
    someone from here to do annual there and then pay someone to fly it from
    there; (3) or just have executive beech in Kansas City (they were
    recommended) do annual there and if it checks out then have someone fly it
    out here.

    Next question: who should I have fly it out here--any suggestions.
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  2. #2

    How to get a plane from Kansas city to Arizona?

    Hi John,

    I had a similar experience. I bought my Sundowner from a gentleman in
    Washington state. I flew out there from Denver (commercial) to inspect
    the plane and have a pre-buy done there. After buying it, I had an
    experienced pilot friend fly it home for me.

    It makes no sense to me to have the plane flown back to your area for a
    pre-buy/annual, especially in the event it didn't pass your pre-buy
    expectation. Then what? You'd need to get it back to KC.

    My advice - get the plane inspected with an unbiased, neutral shop (NOT
    the seller's mechanic or shop) then if all work out, hire someone to fly
    it home for you. You should definitely go along and learn as much about
    your new plane as possible on the flight home. If the ferry pilot is a
    CFI, you can log it as dual time to boot!

    Don't know where you are in AZ but I've flown several trips from Denver
    to Des Moines and back which is right at 530 miles. It takes me about
    5-1/2 hours including one fuel stop - each way. Your trip will be
    easily done in a day and flying it home will be an experience you'll
    never forget. Good luck with the sale. Hope it all works out well for
    you.

    -Rick Koch
    78 Sundowner




    -----Original Message-----
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    [mailto:bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org] On Behalf Of Lamb, John
    Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:11 AM
    To: 'bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org'
    Subject: [BAC-Mail] How to get a plane from Kansas city to Arizona?


    I have reached an agreement with a gentleman for a sundowner in Kansas
    City. My problem--I don't have my license yet--have not even soloed yet.
    Should I
    (1) pay someone to fly the plane out here and have annual done here
    (want an annual rather than pre-buy since it is more through) or (2)
    should I send someone from here to do annual there and then pay someone
    to fly it from there; (3) or just have executive beech in Kansas City
    (they were
    recommended) do annual there and if it checks out then have someone fly
    it out here.

    Next question: who should I have fly it out here--any suggestions.
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  3. #3

    How to get a plane from Kansas city to Arizona?

    Just to clarify...
    That should have read:

    >>get the plane inspected with an unbiased, neutral shop in the KC area
    (NOT the seller's mechanic or shop)..............

    And another point:
    Again, not knowing your location in AZ, if you have any big rocks along
    your route, remember the service ceiling of a healthy Sundowner is
    around 12,600'. Hot days will lower that considerably. Mine crossed the
    Cascades and Rockies (early March) following lowest terrain routes as
    possible, and did fine. If your own CFI is pretty experienced, discuss
    the flight with him and get his thoughts. Baby Beech experience would
    be nice but not critical. Plus you ca


    -----Original Message-----
    From: bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org
    [mailto:bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org] On Behalf Of Rick
    Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:15 PM
    To: 'Lamb, John'; bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org
    Subject: RE: [BAC-Mail] How to get a plane from Kansas city to Arizona?


    Hi John,

    I had a similar experience. I bought my Sundowner from a gentleman in
    Washington state. I flew out there from Denver (commercial) to inspect
    the plane and have a pre-buy done there. After buying it, I had an
    experienced pilot friend fly it home for me.

    It makes no sense to me to have the plane flown back to your area for a
    pre-buy/annual, especially in the event it didn't pass your pre-buy
    expectation. Then what? You'd need to get it back to KC.

    My advice - get the plane inspected with an unbiased, neutral shop (NOT
    the seller's mechanic or shop) then if all work out, hire someone to fly
    it home for you. You should definitely go along and learn as much about
    your new plane as possible on the flight home. If the ferry pilot is a
    CFI, you can log it as dual time to boot!

    Don't know where you are in AZ but I've flown several trips from Denver
    to Des Moines and back which is right at 530 miles. It takes me about
    5-1/2 hours including one fuel stop - each way. Your trip will be
    easily done in a day and flying it home will be an experience you'll
    never forget. Good luck with the sale. Hope it all works out well for
    you.

    -Rick Koch
    78 Sundowner




    -----Original Message-----
    From: bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org
    [mailto:bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org] On Behalf Of Lamb, John
    Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:11 AM
    To: 'bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org'
    Subject: [BAC-Mail] How to get a plane from Kansas city to Arizona?


    I have reached an agreement with a gentleman for a sundowner in Kansas
    City. My problem--I don't have my license yet--have not even soloed yet.
    Should I
    (1) pay someone to fly the plane out here and have annual done here
    (want an annual rather than pre-buy since it is more through) or (2)
    should I send someone from here to do annual there and then pay someone
    to fly it from there; (3) or just have executive beech in Kansas City
    (they were
    recommended) do annual there and if it checks out then have someone fly
    it out here.

    Next question: who should I have fly it out here--any suggestions.
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  4. #4

    How to get a plane from Kansas city to Arizona?

    Sheesh! I'm having email problems today!?!
    To finish:

    Plus the trip should fulfill your entire cross-country time
    requirements for your ticket! Again, good luck.
    -Rick


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rick [mailto:rick@denverflash.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 1:04 PM
    To: 'Lamb, John'; 'bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org'
    Subject: RE: [BAC-Mail] How to get a plane from Kansas city to Arizona?


    Just to clarify...
    That should have read:

    >>get the plane inspected with an unbiased, neutral shop in the KC area
    >>(NOT the seller's mechanic or shop)..............

    And another point:
    Again, not knowing your location in AZ, if you have any big rocks along
    your route, remember the service ceiling of a healthy Sundowner is
    around 12,600'. Hot days will lower that considerably. Mine crossed the
    Cascades and Rockies (early March) following lowest terrain routes as
    possible, and did fine. If your own CFI is pretty experienced, discuss
    the flight with him and get his thoughts. Baby Beech experience would
    be nice but not critical. Plus you ca


    -----Original Message-----
    From: bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org
    [mailto:bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org] On Behalf Of Rick
    Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:15 PM
    To: 'Lamb, John'; bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org
    Subject: RE: [BAC-Mail] How to get a plane from Kansas city to Arizona?


    Hi John,

    I had a similar experience. I bought my Sundowner from a gentleman in
    Washington state. I flew out there from Denver (commercial) to inspect
    the plane and have a pre-buy done there. After buying it, I had an
    experienced pilot friend fly it home for me.

    It makes no sense to me to have the plane flown back to your area for a
    pre-buy/annual, especially in the event it didn't pass your pre-buy
    expectation. Then what? You'd need to get it back to KC.

    My advice - get the plane inspected with an unbiased, neutral shop (NOT
    the seller's mechanic or shop) then if all work out, hire someone to fly
    it home for you. You should definitely go along and learn as much about
    your new plane as possible on the flight home. If the ferry pilot is a
    CFI, you can log it as dual time to boot!

    Don't know where you are in AZ but I've flown several trips from Denver
    to Des Moines and back which is right at 530 miles. It takes me about
    5-1/2 hours including one fuel stop - each way. Your trip will be
    easily done in a day and flying it home will be an experience you'll
    never forget. Good luck with the sale. Hope it all works out well for
    you.

    -Rick Koch
    78 Sundowner




    -----Original Message-----
    From: bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org
    [mailto:bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org] On Behalf Of Lamb, John
    Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:11 AM
    To: 'bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org'
    Subject: [BAC-Mail] How to get a plane from Kansas city to Arizona?


    I have reached an agreement with a gentleman for a sundowner in Kansas
    City. My problem--I don't have my license yet--have not even soloed yet.
    Should I
    (1) pay someone to fly the plane out here and have annual done here
    (want an annual rather than pre-buy since it is more through) or (2)
    should I send someone from here to do annual there and then pay someone
    to fly it from there; (3) or just have executive beech in Kansas City
    (they were
    recommended) do annual there and if it checks out then have someone fly
    it out here.

    Next question: who should I have fly it out here--any suggestions.
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  5. #5

    How to get a plane from Kansas city to Arizona?

    > I have reached an agreement with a gentleman for a sundowner in Kansas
    > City.
    > My problem--I don't have my license yet--have not even soloed yet. Should
    > I
    > (1) pay someone to fly the plane out here and have annual done here (want
    > an
    > annual rather than pre-buy since it is more through) or (2) should I send
    > someone from here to do annual there and then pay someone to fly it from
    > there; (3) or just have executive beech in Kansas City (they were
    > recommended) do annual there and if it checks out then have someone fly it
    > out here.

    *** Be careful. Your life is on the line. My plane came to me with two
    bad mags - one died the next day, the other one nearly dead. Somebody had
    messed with one of them to make it work even though the points cam was
    worn out. The extra thorough prepurchase that I had had done, missed it.

    It's a fine line; how much work do you have done on somebody else's
    airplane? A complete annual by the Beech 100 hour checklist will
    probably
    cost you a couple grand. But - with a brand new - to you - plane, would
    you trust your tender bod to less?

    You can get a cursory inspection for a couple hundred, buy the plane,
    then have it annualled, and then fly it home....

    - Jerry

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  6. #6

    How to get a plane from Kansas city to Arizona?

    Hello,

    I have not purchased a plane out right. I own a 1/5 share of a plane I
    already new well (learned to fly in it). I might be making my first
    purchase in a year or so and am curious about this. I would think that
    having an annual done should only cost the buyer the inspection time
    ($300-400) and the squawks found would be the responsibility of the
    current owner. I don't think I would buy a plane unless the annual
    "passed" the inspection. I am not sure why it would cost a potential
    buyer "a couple grand" just for the inspection.

    I agree that the pre-buy should be done near where it is currently
    located and done by someone "independent" from the current owner's
    maintenance facility.

    just my thoughts

    Gary
    Beech Sport


    On Aug 31, 2005, at 11:12 PM, Jerry Kaidor wrote:

    >> I have reached an agreement with a gentleman for a sundowner in Kansas
    >> City.
    >> My problem--I don't have my license yet--have not even soloed yet.
    >> Should
    >> I
    >> (1) pay someone to fly the plane out here and have annual done here
    >> (want
    >> an
    >> annual rather than pre-buy since it is more through) or (2) should I
    >> send
    >> someone from here to do annual there and then pay someone to fly it
    >> from
    >> there; (3) or just have executive beech in Kansas City (they were
    >> recommended) do annual there and if it checks out then have someone
    >> fly it
    >> out here.
    >
    > *** Be careful. Your life is on the line. My plane came to me with
    > two
    > bad mags - one died the next day, the other one nearly dead. Somebody
    > had
    > messed with one of them to make it work even though the points cam was
    > worn out. The extra thorough prepurchase that I had had done, missed
    > it.
    >
    > It's a fine line; how much work do you have done on somebody else's
    > airplane? A complete annual by the Beech 100 hour checklist will
    > probably
    > cost you a couple grand. But - with a brand new - to you - plane,
    > would
    > you trust your tender bod to less?
    >
    > You can get a cursory inspection for a couple hundred, buy the
    > plane,
    > then have it annualled, and then fly it home....
    >
    > - Jerry
    >
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  7. #7

    How to get a plane from Kansas city to Arizona?

    The arrangement you make is between you and the seller... whatever you can
    work out with each other. If the seller agrees to fix all squawks
    discovered during your inspection, great! He's more likely to just lower
    the selling price instead, based on the findings. But any number of
    arrangements have been, and can be made.

    I think a reasonable pre-buy should be in the $400-500 range. Of course
    anything found needing repair will still need to be done. That's often the
    starting point of negotiations between you and the seller. Of course, the
    owner needs to be responsible for repairing or replacing anything
    unairworthy. After that, you can haggle over who pays to fix what, how the
    selling price will be affected, etc. etc. I've seen some sellers offer their
    planes as just having been annualed. Look carefully at what exactly was
    done. I suspect it was a"minimum annual" not wanting to put money into a
    plane they will no longer own.

    Your first annual as the new owner will come up sooner than you'd like
    anyway so if you have good feelings about the plane after the pre-buy,
    negotiate a price your comfortable with, buy it, and take care of your new
    plane at annual time.

    One tip I have, that's never in any of the books on the subject, is to take
    a very close and discerning look at the seller himself. Size up what kind of
    person you think he is. Listen to him talk and HEAR what he's saying. Do
    you like his style, in general. Answers to those questions can sometimes
    tell a lot about how he took care of his airplane.

    In my case, the seller (a total stranger) picked me up at the airport, drove
    us 3 hours to his location, invited me into his home to spend the night...
    was very intelligent and knowledgable (in general as well as about the
    plane). And he's been a great and generous, on-going source of information
    since I bought the plane - going on two years now. As it turned he wrote a
    lot of ASA's training materials, was a former systems engineer for Alaska
    Airlines, on and on.

    If you don't feel good about the seller himself - I wouldn't buy his
    airplane.

    For what it's worth.

    -Rick


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Gary Hanchett" <vze2872z@comcast.net>
    To: "Jerry Kaidor" <jerry@tr2.com>
    Cc: <bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org>; "Lamb, John" <JLamb@Courts.sp.state.az.us>
    Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:04 AM
    Subject: Re: [BAC-Mail] How to get a plane from Kansas city to Arizona?


    > Hello,
    >
    > I have not purchased a plane out right. I own a 1/5 share of a plane I
    > already new well (learned to fly in it). I might be making my first
    > purchase in a year or so and am curious about this. I would think that
    > having an annual done should only cost the buyer the inspection time
    > ($300-400) and the squawks found would be the responsibility of the
    > current owner. I don't think I would buy a plane unless the annual
    > "passed" the inspection. I am not sure why it would cost a potential
    > buyer "a couple grand" just for the inspection.
    >
    > I agree that the pre-buy should be done near where it is currently located
    > and done by someone "independent" from the current owner's maintenance
    > facility.
    >
    > just my thoughts
    >
    > Gary
    > Beech Sport
    >
    >
    > On Aug 31, 2005, at 11:12 PM, Jerry Kaidor wrote:
    >
    >>> I have reached an agreement with a gentleman for a sundowner in Kansas
    >>> City.
    >>> My problem--I don't have my license yet--have not even soloed yet.
    >>> Should
    >>> I
    >>> (1) pay someone to fly the plane out here and have annual done here
    >>> (want
    >>> an
    >>> annual rather than pre-buy since it is more through) or (2) should I
    >>> send
    >>> someone from here to do annual there and then pay someone to fly it
    >>> from
    >>> there; (3) or just have executive beech in Kansas City (they were
    >>> recommended) do annual there and if it checks out then have someone fly
    >>> it
    >>> out here.
    >>
    >> *** Be careful. Your life is on the line. My plane came to me with two
    >> bad mags - one died the next day, the other one nearly dead. Somebody
    >> had
    >> messed with one of them to make it work even though the points cam was
    >> worn out. The extra thorough prepurchase that I had had done, missed it.
    >>
    >> It's a fine line; how much work do you have done on somebody else's
    >> airplane? A complete annual by the Beech 100 hour checklist will
    >> probably
    >> cost you a couple grand. But - with a brand new - to you - plane, would
    >> you trust your tender bod to less?
    >>
    >> You can get a cursory inspection for a couple hundred, buy the plane,
    >> then have it annualled, and then fly it home....
    >>
    >> - Jerry
    >>
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  8. #8

    Kansas to AZ

    I recently bought my first plane (C24R Sierra) from a field 500miles away. Having no constant speed and no retractable undercarriage endorsement, I put the word out around the flying schools for an instructor that was available for a one way flight. Found one within a couple of days, flew it home myself and completed the endorsement rating on the way. Total cost was just 4.5 hours for the instructor at a discounted rate. Best deal I ever did, and had a great trip into the bargain.

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