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  1. #1

    [musketeermail] Power Tow/Tug for Sundowner

    Right on, Mike;

    I let a guy tow mine with a golf cart and he exeeded
    the limits, but I didn't think it did any damage,
    because it steered fine on taxi. Gear retracted fine
    after take off, but on extension, the nose gear stayed
    in the well. After all kinds of dives, stalls etc.,
    each flyby showed the gear down a little more, till I
    finally got a green light, but the gear was still 90
    degrees,(jet blue). The guys at the shop recommended
    recycling the gear, but with all the trouble I had
    getting it down the first time, I chose not to. I felt
    the gear would caster on touchdown, and it did. Brake
    steering worked fine on taxi back to the shop, and
    sure enough, the steering rod was broken. The tow
    cracked it, and retraction broke it. I was lucky to
    get the gear down and avoid a prop strike, and
    teardown. The steering rod must have a good deal of
    pressure on it when it turns the gear as it is
    retracted. Tow only by hand, to avoid this pitfall.


    Dan Kirby, Sierra N9299


    --- Mike Rellihan <rellihan@rellihan.com> wrote:

    > I'm sure that those using the ride-on powered
    > equipment to move their plane
    > are aware of this. I'm just mentioning it for those
    > who are considering
    > such uses for their lawn tractor, golf cart, etc.
    >
    > You should have the travel limit markings on your
    > nose gear. Beech hasn't
    > sold the decals in years, but 1/4" wide red
    > pinstripe tape from an auto
    > parts works fine. Ideally, you get the nose gear
    > off the ground. Put one
    > stripe in the center of the upper fixed trunnion.
    > Move the gear by hand to
    > the left and right limits. Put a left and right
    > stripe on the face of the
    > main housing so it aligns with the center stripe
    > just short of the limit.
    >
    > If you hit the limit while using a ride-on power
    > unit, if you are lucky the
    > steering rod end will break at the threads (the weak
    > link). If you are
    > unlucky, the top collar casting will crack, without
    > your knowledge. This
    > can lead to the nose gear housing and fork falling
    > free of the upper housing
    > on some future liftoff. Depending on circumstances,
    > you won't know about
    > that either, for a while. This isn't speculation;
    > it has happened.
    >
    > The various powered tow bars are far less risky, as
    > you can usually feel the
    > limit when it is hit. You still should not use that
    > as the travel stop, as
    > it will bend the rod end over time. I'm not too
    > bashful to mention that I
    > one broke a rod end on my Sierra, using a golf cart;
    > zigged when I should
    > have zagged. I knew it as soon as I did it, and
    > inspected everything before
    > replacing the rod end. Murphy gets us all, at one
    > time or another.
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org
    > [mailto:bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org] On
    > Behalf Of Jimmie and Mary Mc
    > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 6:45 PM
    > To: MrLucky353@aol.com; bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org
    > Subject: Re: [BAC-Mail] Power Tow/Tug for Sundowner
    >
    > I use an ele three wheel Cushman with a ball hitch
    > on each end. It works
    > great. I welded a tow bar years ago to pull the
    > mouse with my truck to
    > refueling so I did not have to start the engine and
    > taxi. Jimmie
    >
    > At 10:33 PM 11/10/2005 EST, MrLucky353@aol.com
    > wrote:
    > Hi guys, anyone have any experience with using a
    > battery operated power
    > tow/tug to move their Sundowner in and out of a
    > hanger?
    > Recommendations will be appreciated.
    > Thanks.
    > Steve
    >
    >
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    [musketeermail] Power Tow/Tug for Sundowner

    Is this a Retract-only issue, or does it also apply to the fixed gear mice?

    Best,

    Mike Hagans

    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org
    > [mailto:bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org] On Behalf Of Ann Kirby
    > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 8:55 AM
    > To: mike@rellihan.com; 'Jimmie and Mary Mc';
    > MrLucky353@aol.com; bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org;
    > musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: Re: [musketeermail] RE: [BAC-Mail] Power Tow/Tug for
    > Sundowner
    >
    > Right on, Mike;
    >
    > I let a guy tow mine with a golf cart and he exeeded the
    > limits, but I didn't think it did any damage, because it
    > steered fine on taxi. Gear retracted fine after take off, but
    > on extension, the nose gear stayed in the well. After all
    > kinds of dives, stalls etc., each flyby showed the gear down
    > a little more, till I finally got a green light, but the gear
    > was still 90 degrees,(jet blue). The guys at the shop
    > recommended recycling the gear, but with all the trouble I
    > had getting it down the first time, I chose not to. I felt
    > the gear would caster on touchdown, and it did. Brake
    > steering worked fine on taxi back to the shop, and sure
    > enough, the steering rod was broken. The tow cracked it, and
    > retraction broke it. I was lucky to get the gear down and
    > avoid a prop strike, and teardown. The steering rod must have
    > a good deal of pressure on it when it turns the gear as it is
    > retracted. Tow only by hand, to avoid this pitfall.
    >
    >
    > Dan Kirby, Sierra N9299
    >
    >
    > --- Mike Rellihan <rellihan@rellihan.com> wrote:
    >
    > > I'm sure that those using the ride-on powered equipment to
    > move their
    > > plane are aware of this. I'm just mentioning it for those who are
    > > considering such uses for their lawn tractor, golf cart, etc.
    > >
    > > You should have the travel limit markings on your nose gear. Beech
    > > hasn't sold the decals in years, but 1/4" wide red
    > pinstripe tape from
    > > an auto parts works fine. Ideally, you get the nose gear off the
    > > ground. Put one stripe in the center of the upper fixed trunnion.
    > > Move the gear by hand to
    > > the left and right limits. Put a left and right stripe on
    > the face of
    > > the main housing so it aligns with the center stripe just
    > short of the
    > > limit.
    > >
    > > If you hit the limit while using a ride-on power unit, if you are
    > > lucky the steering rod end will break at the threads (the
    > weak link).
    > > If you are unlucky, the top collar casting will crack, without your
    > > knowledge. This can lead to the nose gear housing and fork falling
    > > free of the upper housing on some future liftoff. Depending on
    > > circumstances, you won't know about
    > > that either, for a while. This isn't speculation;
    > > it has happened.
    > >
    > > The various powered tow bars are far less risky, as you can usually
    > > feel the limit when it is hit. You still should not use
    > that as the
    > > travel stop, as
    > > it will bend the rod end over time. I'm not too
    > > bashful to mention that I
    > > one broke a rod end on my Sierra, using a golf cart; zigged when I
    > > should have zagged. I knew it as soon as I did it, and inspected
    > > everything before replacing the rod end. Murphy gets us
    > all, at one
    > > time or another.
    > >
    > >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org
    > > [mailto:bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org] On Behalf Of Jimmie and
    > > Mary Mc
    > > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 6:45 PM
    > > To: MrLucky353@aol.com; bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org
    > > Subject: Re: [BAC-Mail] Power Tow/Tug for Sundowner
    > >
    > > I use an ele three wheel Cushman with a ball hitch on each end. It
    > > works great. I welded a tow bar years ago to pull the
    > mouse with my
    > > truck to refueling so I did not have to start the engine and
    > > taxi. Jimmie
    > >
    > > At 10:33 PM 11/10/2005 EST, MrLucky353@aol.com
    > > wrote:
    > > Hi guys, anyone have any experience with using a battery operated
    > > power tow/tug to move their Sundowner in and out of a hanger?
    > > Recommendations will be appreciated.
    > > Thanks.
    > > Steve
    > >
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  3. #3

    [musketeermail] Power Tow/Tug for Sundowner

    It applies to a greater or lesser extent to any
    airplane with a steerable nose wheel. It probably
    also applies to some airplanes with castoring nose
    wheels. The only real solution is to have well
    trained line attendents because often it is required
    to tow airplanes too far to do it by hand. It is
    probably possible to over stress a steering link when
    towing by hand.

    --- Mike Hagans <mhagans@etherstuff.com> wrote:

    > Is this a Retract-only issue, or does it also apply
    > to the fixed gear mice?
    >
    > Best,
    >
    > Mike Hagans
    >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org
    > > [mailto:bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org] On
    > Behalf Of Ann Kirby
    > > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 8:55 AM
    > > To: mike@rellihan.com; 'Jimmie and Mary Mc';
    > > MrLucky353@aol.com; bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org;
    > > musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    > > Subject: Re: [musketeermail] RE: [BAC-Mail] Power
    > Tow/Tug for
    > > Sundowner
    > >
    > > Right on, Mike;
    > >
    > > I let a guy tow mine with a golf cart and he
    > exeeded the
    > > limits, but I didn't think it did any damage,
    > because it
    > > steered fine on taxi. Gear retracted fine after
    > take off, but
    > > on extension, the nose gear stayed in the well.
    > After all
    > > kinds of dives, stalls etc., each flyby showed the
    > gear down
    > > a little more, till I finally got a green light,
    > but the gear
    > > was still 90 degrees,(jet blue). The guys at the
    > shop
    > > recommended recycling the gear, but with all the
    > trouble I
    > > had getting it down the first time, I chose not
    > to. I felt
    > > the gear would caster on touchdown, and it did.
    > Brake
    > > steering worked fine on taxi back to the shop, and
    > sure
    > > enough, the steering rod was broken. The tow
    > cracked it, and
    > > retraction broke it. I was lucky to get the gear
    > down and
    > > avoid a prop strike, and teardown. The steering
    > rod must have
    > > a good deal of pressure on it when it turns the
    > gear as it is
    > > retracted. Tow only by hand, to avoid this
    > pitfall.
    > >
    > >
    > > Dan Kirby, Sierra N9299
    > >
    > >
    > > --- Mike Rellihan <rellihan@rellihan.com> wrote:
    > >
    > > > I'm sure that those using the ride-on powered
    > equipment to
    > > move their
    > > > plane are aware of this. I'm just mentioning it
    > for those who are
    > > > considering such uses for their lawn tractor,
    > golf cart, etc.
    > > >
    > > > You should have the travel limit markings on
    > your nose gear. Beech
    > > > hasn't sold the decals in years, but 1/4" wide
    > red
    > > pinstripe tape from
    > > > an auto parts works fine. Ideally, you get the
    > nose gear off the
    > > > ground. Put one stripe in the center of the
    > upper fixed trunnion.
    > > > Move the gear by hand to
    > > > the left and right limits. Put a left and right
    > stripe on
    > > the face of
    > > > the main housing so it aligns with the center
    > stripe just
    > > short of the
    > > > limit.
    > > >
    > > > If you hit the limit while using a ride-on power
    > unit, if you are
    > > > lucky the steering rod end will break at the
    > threads (the
    > > weak link).
    > > > If you are unlucky, the top collar casting will
    > crack, without your
    > > > knowledge. This can lead to the nose gear
    > housing and fork falling
    > > > free of the upper housing on some future
    > liftoff. Depending on
    > > > circumstances, you won't know about
    > > > that either, for a while. This isn't
    > speculation;
    > > > it has happened.
    > > >
    > > > The various powered tow bars are far less risky,
    > as you can usually
    > > > feel the limit when it is hit. You still should
    > not use
    > > that as the
    > > > travel stop, as
    > > > it will bend the rod end over time. I'm not
    > too
    > > > bashful to mention that I
    > > > one broke a rod end on my Sierra, using a golf
    > cart; zigged when I
    > > > should have zagged. I knew it as soon as I did
    > it, and inspected
    > > > everything before replacing the rod end. Murphy
    > gets us
    > > all, at one
    > > > time or another.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > -----Original Message-----
    > > > From: bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org
    > > > [mailto:bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org] On
    > Behalf Of Jimmie and
    > > > Mary Mc
    > > > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 6:45 PM
    > > > To: MrLucky353@aol.com;
    > bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org
    > > > Subject: Re: [BAC-Mail] Power Tow/Tug for
    > Sundowner
    > > >
    > > > I use an ele three wheel Cushman with a ball
    > hitch on each end. It
    > > > works great. I welded a tow bar years ago to
    > pull the
    > > mouse with my
    > > > truck to refueling so I did not have to start
    > the engine and
    > > > taxi. Jimmie
    > > >
    > > > At 10:33 PM 11/10/2005 EST, MrLucky353@aol.com
    > > > wrote:
    > > > Hi guys, anyone have any experience with using a
    > battery operated
    > > > power tow/tug to move their Sundowner in and out
    > of a hanger?
    > > > Recommendations will be appreciated.
    > > > Thanks.
    > > > Steve
    > > >
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  4. #4

    [musketeermail] Power Tow/Tug for Sundowner

    Applies to all, as all have the steering link rod end, and steering travel
    limits. The retracts are just a bit more susceptible to rod-end cracks, due
    to the nose gear rotation during retraction, as it served double duty. Both
    are susceptible to cracking the top cover/main tube retainer. Both will
    suffer expensive damage if the nose gear fails for any reason.



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    From: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:musketeermail@yahoogroups.com]
    On Behalf Of Mike Hagans
    Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:51 PM
    To: bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org; musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: RE: [musketeermail] RE: [BAC-Mail] Power Tow/Tug for Sundowner



    Is this a Retract-only issue, or does it also apply to the fixed gear mice?

    Best,

    Mike Hagans

    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org
    > [mailto:bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org] On Behalf Of Ann Kirby
    > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 8:55 AM
    > To: mike@rellihan.com; 'Jimmie and Mary Mc';
    > MrLucky353@aol.com; bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org;
    > musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: Re: [musketeermail] RE: [BAC-Mail] Power Tow/Tug for
    > Sundowner
    >
    > Right on, Mike;
    >
    > I let a guy tow mine with a golf cart and he exeeded the
    > limits, but I didn't think it did any damage, because it
    > steered fine on taxi. Gear retracted fine after take off, but
    > on extension, the nose gear stayed in the well. After all
    > kinds of dives, stalls etc., each flyby showed the gear down
    > a little more, till I finally got a green light, but the gear
    > was still 90 degrees,(jet blue). The guys at the shop
    > recommended recycling the gear, but with all the trouble I
    > had getting it down the first time, I chose not to. I felt
    > the gear would caster on touchdown, and it did. Brake
    > steering worked fine on taxi back to the shop, and sure
    > enough, the steering rod was broken. The tow cracked it, and
    > retraction broke it. I was lucky to get the gear down and
    > avoid a prop strike, and teardown. The steering rod must have
    > a good deal of pressure on it when it turns the gear as it is
    > retracted. Tow only by hand, to avoid this pitfall.
    >
    >
    > Dan Kirby, Sierra N9299
    >
    >
    > --- Mike Rellihan <rellihan@rellihan.com> wrote:
    >
    > > I'm sure that those using the ride-on powered equipment to
    > move their
    > > plane are aware of this. I'm just mentioning it for those who are
    > > considering such uses for their lawn tractor, golf cart, etc.
    > >
    > > You should have the travel limit markings on your nose gear. Beech
    > > hasn't sold the decals in years, but 1/4" wide red
    > pinstripe tape from
    > > an auto parts works fine. Ideally, you get the nose gear off the
    > > ground. Put one stripe in the center of the upper fixed trunnion.
    > > Move the gear by hand to
    > > the left and right limits. Put a left and right stripe on
    > the face of
    > > the main housing so it aligns with the center stripe just
    > short of the
    > > limit.
    > >
    > > If you hit the limit while using a ride-on power unit, if you are
    > > lucky the steering rod end will break at the threads (the
    > weak link).
    > > If you are unlucky, the top collar casting will crack, without your
    > > knowledge. This can lead to the nose gear housing and fork falling
    > > free of the upper housing on some future liftoff. Depending on
    > > circumstances, you won't know about
    > > that either, for a while. This isn't speculation;
    > > it has happened.
    > >
    > > The various powered tow bars are far less risky, as you can usually
    > > feel the limit when it is hit. You still should not use
    > that as the
    > > travel stop, as
    > > it will bend the rod end over time. I'm not too
    > > bashful to mention that I
    > > one broke a rod end on my Sierra, using a golf cart; zigged when I
    > > should have zagged. I knew it as soon as I did it, and inspected
    > > everything before replacing the rod end. Murphy gets us
    > all, at one
    > > time or another.
    > >
    > >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org
    > > [mailto:bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org] On Behalf Of Jimmie and
    > > Mary Mc
    > > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 6:45 PM
    > > To: MrLucky353@aol.com; bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org
    > > Subject: Re: [BAC-Mail] Power Tow/Tug for Sundowner
    > >
    > > I use an ele three wheel Cushman with a ball hitch on each end. It
    > > works great. I welded a tow bar years ago to pull the
    > mouse with my
    > > truck to refueling so I did not have to start the engine and
    > > taxi. Jimmie
    > >
    > > At 10:33 PM 11/10/2005 EST, MrLucky353@aol.com
    > > wrote:
    > > Hi guys, anyone have any experience with using a battery operated
    > > power tow/tug to move their Sundowner in and out of a hanger?
    > > Recommendations will be appreciated.
    > > Thanks.
    > > Steve

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