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  1. #1

    Musketeer Wheel Pants - do they Exist?

    HI all -

    Just sent this to the eBay seller of the 'Muskateer Wheelpants.' Hope he calls!

    Bill Howard
    BeechSportBill
    N1927W 1973 Sport 150
    Beech Aero Club NorthWest Region Director
    Hi Mr. Fitts -

    I own a 1973 Sport 150 - and am visiting in Newburg Oregon this weekend. Is it
    possible to come down tomorrow, Saturday or early Sunday Morning to look at them
    and take some pictures? I am the NorthWest Region Director for the Beech Aero Club,
    the owner's club for Musketeers of all sizes and there has been a discussion about
    wheel pants for several years on the internet.

    If this is possible, could you call me on my Cell? The number is xxx-xxx-xxxx.

    Thanks, and congratulations on your retirement.

    Bill Howard
    BeechSport 150 N1927W
    Milton-Freewater Oregon
    www.beechaeroclub.org


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  2. #2

    Musketeer Wheel Pants - do they Exist?

    BAC Member Robert Lewis is working on contact with the guy in CA who has the reported pants on his plane. I just sent Bob the full link to the eBay set (which are in Oregon). I still plan to bid on the eBay set, on behalf of BAC (for its members, in hopes of further development and an eventual STC). David is correct that bolting these on as-is would be problematic. There are currently no mounting plates with the eBay set, and no installation approvals.

    We may well find that they really were not even specifically developed for a Musketeer, but are in fact just unapproved examples of something else. But if the price is right, they would be a good starting point for one of our engineering members who have expressed interest in such a project, to benefit all owners via an eventual STC. If this actually works out, we'll need the development project person, and in turn they will probably need some help with the STC process, somewhere down the road.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: David Vance
    To: bhoward@bmi.net ; bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org ; musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    Cc: mike@rellihan.com
    Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 11:36 PM
    Subject: Re: [musketeermail] Musketeer Wheel Pants - do they Exist?


    THere was a guy in California flying a mouse with his home-made
    pants. Thought I heard he was working on trying to get an STC for them.
    I have a feeling that legally bolting them on to our planes would require a
    lot of paperwork.
    David
    81N

    At 10:29 PM 11/25/2005, Bill Howard wrote:

    >HI all -
    >
    >Just sent this to the eBay seller of the 'Muskateer Wheelpants.' Hope he
    >calls!
    >
    >Bill Howard
    >BeechSportBill
    >N1927W 1973 Sport 150
    >Beech Aero Club NorthWest Region Director
    >Hi Mr. Fitts -
    >
    >I own a 1973 Sport 150 - and am visiting in Newburg Oregon this weekend.
    >Is it
    >possible to come down tomorrow, Saturday or early Sunday Morning to look
    >at them
    >and take some pictures? I am the NorthWest Region Director for the Beech
    >Aero Club,
    >the owner's club for Musketeers of all sizes and there has been a
    >discussion about
    >wheel pants for several years on the internet.
    >
    >If this is possible, could you call me on my Cell? The number is
    >xxx-xxx-xxxx.
    >
    >Thanks, and congratulations on your retirement.
    >
    >Bill Howard
    >BeechSport 150 N1927W
    >Milton-Freewater Oregon
    >www.beechaeroclub.org
    >
    >
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    >
    >
    >
    >Join BAC today and be a part of the ONLY Type Club for the Musketeer series!
    >
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    >
    >
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    >
    >
    >
    >




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  3. #3

    Musketeer Wheel Pants - do they Exist?

    This STC could be developed by members of BAC, or contracted in the
    way that Mike did with the donuts and AEC.

    If by the BAC members and nobody else steps up, I could work out the
    STC process & paperwork with Baltimore FSDO. However, this FSDO
    would NOT be my first choice, as Baltimore is severely under-staffed
    (add weeks/months of time to anything) and gets concurrance (as in
    adding even more time) from Wichita on stuff like this. Between
    that and having known some Wichita FSDO people (unfortunately now
    retired) I have a feeling that Wichita would be a lot easier to work
    with, especially if we could show these really were first developed
    by Beech.

    From experience, I'll add that there may be a bigger problem in
    working with the insurance company of the airplane(s) that have to
    be put in the experimental category if the FSDO requires that step.
    Even though part of an approved STC development, going experimental
    will flat-out void most insurance policies, so finding a FSDO
    inspector who is "positive" can not be under-stated.

    Do we have any members in the Wichita FSDO coverage area who've been
    involved with developing STCs before?

    Bob
    A&P, Aero Eng
    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Rellihan"
    <rellihan@r...> wrote:
    >
    > BAC Member Robert Lewis is working on contact with the guy in CA
    who has the reported pants on his plane. I just sent Bob the full
    link to the eBay set (which are in Oregon). I still plan to bid on
    the eBay set, on behalf of BAC (for its members, in hopes of further
    development and an eventual STC). David is correct that bolting
    these on as-is would be problematic. There are currently no
    mounting plates with the eBay set, and no installation approvals.
    >
    > We may well find that they really were not even specifically
    developed for a Musketeer, but are in fact just unapproved examples
    of something else. But if the price is right, they would be a good
    starting point for one of our engineering members who have expressed
    interest in such a project, to benefit all owners via an eventual
    STC. If this actually works out, we'll need the development project
    person, and in turn they will probably need some help with the STC
    process, somewhere down the road.
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: David Vance
    > To: bhoward@b... ; bac-mail@b... ; musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    > Cc: mike@r...
    > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 11:36 PM
    > Subject: Re: [musketeermail] Musketeer Wheel Pants - do they
    Exist?
    >
    >
    > THere was a guy in California flying a mouse with his home-made
    > pants. Thought I heard he was working on trying to get an STC
    for them.
    > I have a feeling that legally bolting them on to our planes
    would require a
    > lot of paperwork.
    > David
    > 81N
    >
    > At 10:29 PM 11/25/2005, Bill Howard wrote:
    >
    > >HI all -
    > >
    > >Just sent this to the eBay seller of the 'Muskateer
    Wheelpants.' Hope he
    > >calls!
    > >
    > >Bill Howard
    > >BeechSportBill
    > >N1927W 1973 Sport 150
    > >Beech Aero Club NorthWest Region Director
    > >Hi Mr. Fitts -
    > >
    > >I own a 1973 Sport 150 - and am visiting in Newburg Oregon this
    weekend.
    > >Is it
    > >possible to come down tomorrow, Saturday or early Sunday
    Morning to look
    > >at them
    > >and take some pictures? I am the NorthWest Region Director for
    the Beech
    > >Aero Club,
    > >the owner's club for Musketeers of all sizes and there has been
    a
    > >discussion about
    > >wheel pants for several years on the internet.
    > >
    > >If this is possible, could you call me on my Cell? The number
    is
    > >xxx-xxx-xxxx.
    > >
    > >Thanks, and congratulations on your retirement.
    > >
    > >Bill Howard
    > >BeechSport 150 N1927W
    > >Milton-Freewater Oregon
    > >www.beechaeroclub.org
    > >
    > >
    > >---- Msg sent via @bmi.net Mail v4 - http://www.bmi.net
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >Join BAC today and be a part of the ONLY Type Club for the
    Musketeer series!
    > >
    > >www.beechaeroclub.org
    > >
    > >
    > >Yahoo! Groups Links
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    >






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  4. #4

    Musketeer Wheel Pants - do they Exist?

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Bob Swaim
    To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 7:16 AM
    Subject: [musketeermail] Re: Musketeer Wheel Pants - do they Exist?


    This STC could be developed by members of BAC, or contracted in the
    way that Mike did with the donuts and AEC.

    If by the BAC members and nobody else steps up, I could work out the
    STC process & paperwork with Baltimore FSDO. However, this FSDO
    would NOT be my first choice, as Baltimore is severely under-staffed
    (add weeks/months of time to anything) and gets concurrance (as in
    adding even more time) from Wichita on stuff like this. Between
    that and having known some Wichita FSDO people (unfortunately now
    retired) I have a feeling that Wichita would be a lot easier to work
    with, especially if we could show these really were first developed
    by Beech.

    From experience, I'll add that there may be a bigger problem in
    working with the insurance company of the airplane(s) that have to
    be put in the experimental category if the FSDO requires that step.
    Even though part of an approved STC development, going experimental
    will flat-out void most insurance policies, so finding a FSDO
    inspector who is "positive" can not be under-stated.

    Do we have any members in the Wichita FSDO coverage area who've been
    involved with developing STCs before?

    Bob
    A&P, Aero Eng
    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Rellihan"
    <rellihan@r...> wrote:
    >
    > BAC Member Robert Lewis is working on contact with the guy in CA
    who has the reported pants on his plane. I just sent Bob the full
    link to the eBay set (which are in Oregon). I still plan to bid on
    the eBay set, on behalf of BAC (for its members, in hopes of further
    development and an eventual STC). David is correct that bolting
    these on as-is would be problematic. There are currently no
    mounting plates with the eBay set, and no installation approvals.
    >
    > We may well find that they really were not even specifically
    developed for a Musketeer, but are in fact just unapproved examples
    of something else. But if the price is right, they would be a good
    starting point for one of our engineering members who have expressed
    interest in such a project, to benefit all owners via an eventual
    STC. If this actually works out, we'll need the development project
    person, and in turn they will probably need some help with the STC
    process, somewhere down the road.
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: David Vance
    > To: bhoward@b... ; bac-mail@b... ; musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    > Cc: mike@r...
    > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 11:36 PM
    > Subject: Re: [musketeermail] Musketeer Wheel Pants - do they
    Exist?
    >
    >
    > THere was a guy in California flying a mouse with his home-made
    > pants. Thought I heard he was working on trying to get an STC
    for them.
    > I have a feeling that legally bolting them on to our planes
    would require a
    > lot of paperwork.
    > David
    > 81N
    >
    > At 10:29 PM 11/25/2005, Bill Howard wrote:
    >
    > >HI all -
    > >
    > >Just sent this to the eBay seller of the 'Muskateer
    Wheelpants.' Hope he
    > >calls!
    > >
    > >Bill Howard
    > >BeechSportBill
    > >N1927W 1973 Sport 150
    > >Beech Aero Club NorthWest Region Director
    > >Hi Mr. Fitts -
    > >
    > >I own a 1973 Sport 150 - and am visiting in Newburg Oregon this
    weekend.
    > >Is it
    > >possible to come down tomorrow, Saturday or early Sunday
    Morning to look
    > >at them
    > >and take some pictures? I am the NorthWest Region Director for
    the Beech
    > >Aero Club,
    > >the owner's club for Musketeers of all sizes and there has been
    a
    > >discussion about
    > >wheel pants for several years on the internet.
    > >
    > >If this is possible, could you call me on my Cell? The number
    is
    > >xxx-xxx-xxxx.
    > >
    > >Thanks, and congratulations on your retirement.
    > >
    > >Bill Howard
    > >BeechSport 150 N1927W
    > >Milton-Freewater Oregon
    > >www.beechaeroclub.org
    > >
    > >
    > >---- Msg sent via @bmi.net Mail v4 - http://www.bmi.net
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >Join BAC today and be a part of the ONLY Type Club for the
    Musketeer series!
    > >
    > >www.beechaeroclub.org
    > >
    > >
    > >Yahoo! Groups Links
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    >







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  5. #5

    Musketeer Wheel Pants - do they Exist?

    Bob,

    I'd like to point out that some insurance companies will willingly
    endorse a policy for the STC testing (so as to not void out
    coverage). Passenger liability may be reduced or eliminated,
    depending on the insurance carrier. The key would be to contact your
    current broker and have them present your proposal to the underwriter.

    Ray

    x-Sport Pilot,
    future Sierra Pilot

    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Swaim" <dswaim1119@c...>
    wrote:
    >
    > This STC could be developed by members of BAC, or contracted in the
    > way that Mike did with the donuts and AEC.
    >
    > If by the BAC members and nobody else steps up, I could work out
    the
    > STC process & paperwork with Baltimore FSDO. However, this FSDO
    > would NOT be my first choice, as Baltimore is severely under-
    staffed
    > (add weeks/months of time to anything) and gets concurrance (as in
    > adding even more time) from Wichita on stuff like this. Between
    > that and having known some Wichita FSDO people (unfortunately now
    > retired) I have a feeling that Wichita would be a lot easier to
    work
    > with, especially if we could show these really were first developed
    > by Beech.
    >
    > From experience, I'll add that there may be a bigger problem in
    > working with the insurance company of the airplane(s) that have to
    > be put in the experimental category if the FSDO requires that step.
    > Even though part of an approved STC development, going experimental
    > will flat-out void most insurance policies, so finding a FSDO
    > inspector who is "positive" can not be under-stated.
    >
    > Do we have any members in the Wichita FSDO coverage area who've
    been
    > involved with developing STCs before?
    >
    > Bob
    > A&P, Aero Eng
    > --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Rellihan"
    > <rellihan@r...> wrote:
    > >
    > > BAC Member Robert Lewis is working on contact with the guy in CA
    > who has the reported pants on his plane. I just sent Bob the full
    > link to the eBay set (which are in Oregon). I still plan to bid on
    > the eBay set, on behalf of BAC (for its members, in hopes of
    further
    > development and an eventual STC). David is correct that bolting
    > these on as-is would be problematic. There are currently no
    > mounting plates with the eBay set, and no installation approvals.
    > >
    > > We may well find that they really were not even specifically
    > developed for a Musketeer, but are in fact just unapproved examples
    > of something else. But if the price is right, they would be a good
    > starting point for one of our engineering members who have
    expressed
    > interest in such a project, to benefit all owners via an eventual
    > STC. If this actually works out, we'll need the development
    project
    > person, and in turn they will probably need some help with the STC
    > process, somewhere down the road.
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: David Vance
    > > To: bhoward@b... ; bac-mail@b... ;
    musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    > > Cc: mike@r...
    > > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 11:36 PM
    > > Subject: Re: [musketeermail] Musketeer Wheel Pants - do they
    > Exist?
    > >
    > >
    > > THere was a guy in California flying a mouse with his home-made
    > > pants. Thought I heard he was working on trying to get an STC
    > for them.
    > > I have a feeling that legally bolting them on to our planes
    > would require a
    > > lot of paperwork.
    > > David
    > > 81N
    > >
    > > At 10:29 PM 11/25/2005, Bill Howard wrote:
    > >
    > > >HI all -
    > > >
    > > >Just sent this to the eBay seller of the 'Muskateer
    > Wheelpants.' Hope he
    > > >calls!
    > > >
    > > >Bill Howard
    > > >BeechSportBill
    > > >N1927W 1973 Sport 150
    > > >Beech Aero Club NorthWest Region Director
    > > >Hi Mr. Fitts -
    > > >
    > > >I own a 1973 Sport 150 - and am visiting in Newburg Oregon
    this
    > weekend.
    > > >Is it
    > > >possible to come down tomorrow, Saturday or early Sunday
    > Morning to look
    > > >at them
    > > >and take some pictures? I am the NorthWest Region Director for
    > the Beech
    > > >Aero Club,
    > > >the owner's club for Musketeers of all sizes and there has
    been
    > a
    > > >discussion about
    > > >wheel pants for several years on the internet.
    > > >
    > > >If this is possible, could you call me on my Cell? The number
    > is
    > > >xxx-xxx-xxxx.
    > > >
    > > >Thanks, and congratulations on your retirement.
    > > >
    > > >Bill Howard
    > > >BeechSport 150 N1927W
    > > >Milton-Freewater Oregon
    > > >www.beechaeroclub.org
    > > >
    > > >
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    > > >
    > > >
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    > Musketeer series!
    > > >
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    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
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    > >
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