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  1. #1

    First Flight in Mouse

    Good afternoon Shannon,
    There is definately a difference. The Musketeer has an extreme forward cg
    which makes it very stable, but does give it a tendency to porpoise. I would
    suggest you make a very gentle flair and try to fly the aircraft about a
    foot above the runway. Make very small corrections and nail your airspeed. I
    usually fly an approach at 70 knots and then 60 over the numbers.
    John

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    Guy's

    Flew my first Be-23 Wed morning in Enid, Ok. Loved the way it flew,
    but am not used to the landings. Most of my time is in a pa28-181 &
    the musketeers land completely different. Is it just me or is this
    fact? Were dealing with a 15 knot crosswind that did not help. Made 3
    landings on a 2300'grass strip & one at WDG. After touchdown a large
    wind gust put the aircraft into a skid which I recovered from, but it
    was embarrassing. Guy in the tower likely had a good laugh, but the
    cfi with me did not seem that concerned. in 110 hours of P & C brand
    aircraft time in worse wind that has never happened. Is there a
    landing learning curve? Otherwise loved the plane. Also, are all
    yoke/rudder controls connected?


    Shannon Evans
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  2. #2

    First Flight in Mouse

    Not to sound like a broken record on the issue, but I also suspect that the
    firm landings many people tend to experience on the 19/23/24 airframes are
    the direct result of hardened hockey pucks for cushions, which do nothing to
    absorb landing shock. The tires and wings do all the work, and only the
    tires can do much cushioning at all (despite our nice wide gear, great in
    crosswinds). I would be interested to hear reports for those who have
    recently replaced their gear cushions, on the effect new disks have had on
    their touchdowns. A large majority of the 19/23/24 airframes still have
    their original gear cushions, which are virtually all hardened and cracked
    by now.



    Kerry is on the money, about not dragging these planes in fast, with power,
    on a flat approach. Unless you are virtually behind the power curve, which
    means very slow, very nose high, and significant power on (which is scary to
    many people), a flat approach will make you skip like a rock when you first
    touch down. As has often been said, about the third bounce will get your
    prop. It can be landed on the second touchdown, if you were ready and
    handle it right, but the safest course of action after a bounce is an
    immediate go-around. In these planes, a hand on the throttle during each
    landing is a wise readiness precaution; usually a good precaution in any
    plane, but I see a lot of two-handed touchdowns (usually with a death
    grip!).



    I was surprised by the wind commentary in the original note in this string.
    I have not flown the 19, but I have always found the 23/24 airframes to
    handle wind (crosswind or otherwise) far better than the equivalent Cessnas
    and Pipers. In almost all cases, skids following touchdown are the result
    of landing with side drift, and/or not retracting the flaps immediately upon
    touchdown, prior to any braking. Any flaps at all, at near touchdown
    speeds, will cause wheel lock with any significant braking pressure. On the
    retract (24), flap retraction should pose no risk of inadvertent gear
    retraction. Many of the planes have manual flaps (which I prefer). Those
    with electric flaps conform to standard layout, with the controls well
    separated. The gear safety switch also prevents retraction below about 60
    MPH indicated. Though I would not relay on that, in case some jerk has
    bypassed it rather than replace it, following a failure. It is supposed to
    be tested during every Annual, as the retraction on jacks can't be
    accomplished unless the switch is activated by air pressure. That's a clue,
    if your Sierra gear can be retracted while on jacks, without gently blowing
    air into the Pitot tube..






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    Shannon,

    I've had my Sundowner almost a year and was flying a rental pa28-181
    before that. Bottom line for me... the pa28 was always very easy to
    land. The Sundowner took me longer to get consistently good
    landings. It wasn't any one thing - but a combination of a few
    things I had to sort out. Like everyone says - speed control..
    70knots on final, 60-65 over the fence. Also, my experience is it
    does not like to be dragged in with a shallow approach... slightly
    steeper and carrying a little power right to the threshold, 2 or 3
    notches of flaps. If you can get the stall horn to chirp just
    before it settles you know you've nailed it.

    Kerry
    6629R

    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "a1_sonse" <a1_sonse@y...>
    wrote:
    >
    > Guy's
    >
    > To Clear a few things up, the BE-23 I was flying is a 1963 with
    the
    > 160hp lycoming. My first landing (on the grass strip I did a go
    > around due to flairing early). After that lesson the landings
    > improved. Crossed over runway at about 80mph indicated & landings
    > were good. But, it seemed fast compaired to a pa28-181 with full
    > flaps on the same landing strip (what I usually fly). Skid
    happened
    > on a paved runway & in hindsight I may have hit the brake a little
    > at touchdown to keep it straight. The initial touchdown, with no
    > flaps, was good.
    > The reason for flying this aircraft was to see if the type was one
    I
    > may want to consider purchaseing, & it was the only one I could
    find
    > for rent. I think a Super 3 or Sundowner would be more to my
    likeing
    > if I could find one I could afford. As I said I liked the way it
    > flew otherwise.
    >
    >
    > Just more Info.
    >
    > Shannon Evans
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  3. #3

    First Flight in Mouse

    Yes there is a landing learning curve but it not a big deal.

    Rudder peddals are interconnected with ailerons, front (nosewheel)
    steering & brakes.

    jon





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