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  1. #1

    [BAC-Mail] Uncle BAC is Looking for a Few Good Men (and Wome

    Hello,

    While all the items that have been discussed would be desirable features for
    our planes, I suggest that our first priority for an STC product should be a
    set of shoulder harnesses for both the front and back seats of our planes.
    My plane does not have any shoulder harnesses, just seat belts. I would
    love to be able to install a set of shoulder harnesses in my plane so that
    in the terrible event I need them, my family and children would have that
    extra measure of protection they provide.

    Further, I would be happy to assist in the effort.

    Scott W. Flood
    A24 Super Mouse
    N6146N




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  2. #2

    [BAC-Mail] Uncle BAC is Looking for a Few Good Men (and Wome

    As covered in prior posts, there's an easy way and hard way to do
    mods.

    The absolute bestest and goodest way to do this is to (first talk to
    your IA and then) call Dodson or one of the other scrap yards and
    have them remove the complete thing from a wreck. Least paperwork
    and easiest for your IA to get signed off.

    Next easiest is to do a field mod on a 337. Totally copy the Beech
    installation, drawing up the new parts on the 337 and submit for
    approval before doing any physical installation. Again, your IA
    will be necessary, but you can do most of the work yourself.

    Hate life? Try to design your own installation for a safety-related
    installation and then get FAA approval. Best of luck in designing
    your test program.

    Bob
    A&P, Aero Eng
    N6504R

    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Flood" <sflood@i...>
    wrote:
    >
    > Hello,
    >
    > While all the items that have been discussed would be desirable
    features for
    > our planes, I suggest that our first priority for an STC product
    should be a
    > set of shoulder harnesses for both the front and back seats of our
    planes.
    > My plane does not have any shoulder harnesses, just seat belts. I
    would
    > love to be able to install a set of shoulder harnesses in my plane
    so that
    > in the terrible event I need them, my family and children would
    have that
    > extra measure of protection they provide.
    >
    > Further, I would be happy to assist in the effort.
    >
    > Scott W. Flood
    > A24 Super Mouse
    > N6146N
    >






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  3. #3

    [BAC-Mail] Uncle BAC is Looking for a Few Good Men (and Wome

    There is a good article on restraints in the Nov 2005 issue of EAA Sport Aviation in the Maintenance and Restoration Column titles Adding Up The Points. It states "Installation of shoulder harnesswes in aricraft is a MINOR change if:
    1. The aircraft was manufactured before 19 July 1978 for front seats and 12 December 1986 for rear seats.
    2. TSO-C114 belts are used.
    3. No drilling or welding has been performed.
    4. The mechanic doing the install consults AC43.13-2A, Chapter 9, for information on restraint systems, effective restraint angles, attachment methods, and other details of installation.
    5. The installing mechanic makes an entry in the maintenance lof of the aircraft."

    I recently installed a three point restraint manufactured by Beams Industries, Inc. in Oklahoma City in my 1974 Dodge Motor Home. I purchased it from J. C. Whitney. It includes an inertia reel and hardware. Unfortunately it is not TSO'd and the Beams engineer that I talked with doesn't know much about aircraft but I would love to have a couple in my Musketeer. Thankfully, the FAA doesn't have anything to say about what I do to my Dodge.

    Wag-Aero had TSO'd restraints that can be purchased for a reasonable amount. The Musketeer has a ceiling beam at just the right spot where a shoulder belt can be hooked without drilling.

    The shoulder belt kits that Beech made for these models required a bracket to be installed and some riviting. I have not seen the kit, installed or not, so don't know the details of how it worked. Beech charged a couple of grand for each seat plus several hours of A&P time was required. These kits were out of stock and not expected to be stocked when I bought my Musketeer in 1993.

    It is an area near and dear to my heart. We need to find a solution.

    Willis


    I also do not have shoulder harnesses in my Sundowner. Now I'm a
    fairly new plane owner and don't have any experience with doing 337's
    or the FSDO or anything, but the idea that the FAA would make it
    virtually impossible to retrofit a saftey item like shoulder
    harnesses is to me ludicrous. It's not as if something like this is
    going to affect the airworthyness of the aircraft.

    Maybe I'm missing something...


    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Flood"
    wrote:
    >
    > Hello,
    >
    > While all the items that have been discussed would be desirable
    features for
    > our planes, I suggest that our first priority for an STC product
    should be a
    > set of shoulder harnesses for both the front and back seats of our
    planes.
    > My plane does not have any shoulder harnesses, just seat belts. I
    would
    > love to be able to install a set of shoulder harnesses in my plane
    so that
    > in the terrible event I need them, my family and children would
    have that
    > extra measure of protection they provide.
    >
    > Further, I would be happy to assist in the effort.
    >
    > Scott W. Flood
    > A24 Super Mouse
    > N6146N
    >







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  4. #4

    [BAC-Mail] Uncle BAC is Looking for a Few Good Men (and Wome

    Sounds like a real worthwhile endeavour. I also
    believe it will enhance the value of the a/c at least
    it's another feature that seems to be very much in the
    forefront of the thoughts of the buying public.
    I wonder if Beech would be prepared to DONATE the
    plans?? You don't ask... you don't get...
    Look at the amount of yugly Volvo's that run around
    because they are a SAFE car..( how do I know? look at
    who is driving them ).
    Cheers
    HarryR ( not a Volvo driver)

    --- WILLIS COOKE <wrcooke@flash.net> wrote:

    > There is a good article on restraints in the Nov
    > 2005 issue of EAA Sport Aviation in the Maintenance
    > and Restoration Column titles Adding Up The Points.
    > It states "Installation of shoulder harnesswes in
    > aricraft is a MINOR change if:
    > 1. The aircraft was manufactured before 19 July
    > 1978 for front seats and 12 December 1986 for rear
    > seats.
    > 2. TSO-C114 belts are used.
    > 3. No drilling or welding has been performed.
    > 4. The mechanic doing the install consults
    > AC43.13-2A, Chapter 9, for information on restraint
    > systems, effective restraint angles, attachment
    > methods, and other details of installation.
    > 5. The installing mechanic makes an entry in the
    > maintenance lof of the aircraft."
    >
    > I recently installed a three point restraint
    > manufactured by Beams Industries, Inc. in Oklahoma
    > City in my 1974 Dodge Motor Home. I purchased it
    > from J. C. Whitney. It includes an inertia reel and
    > hardware. Unfortunately it is not TSO'd and the
    > Beams engineer that I talked with doesn't know much
    > about aircraft but I would love to have a couple in
    > my Musketeer. Thankfully, the FAA doesn't have
    > anything to say about what I do to my Dodge.
    >
    > Wag-Aero had TSO'd restraints that can be
    > purchased for a reasonable amount. The Musketeer
    > has a ceiling beam at just the right spot where a
    > shoulder belt can be hooked without drilling.
    >
    > The shoulder belt kits that Beech made for these
    > models required a bracket to be installed and some
    > riviting. I have not seen the kit, installed or
    > not, so don't know the details of how it worked.
    > Beech charged a couple of grand for each seat plus
    > several hours of A&P time was required. These kits
    > were out of stock and not expected to be stocked
    > when I bought my Musketeer in 1993.
    >
    > It is an area near and dear to my heart. We need
    > to find a solution.
    >
    > Willis
    >
    >
    > I also do not have shoulder harnesses in my
    > Sundowner. Now I'm a
    > fairly new plane owner and don't have any experience
    > with doing 337's
    > or the FSDO or anything, but the idea that the FAA
    > would make it
    > virtually impossible to retrofit a saftey item like
    > shoulder
    > harnesses is to me ludicrous. It's not as if
    > something like this is
    > going to affect the airworthyness of the aircraft.
    >
    > Maybe I'm missing something...
    >
    >
    > --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Flood"
    > wrote:
    > >
    > > Hello,
    > >
    > > While all the items that have been discussed would
    > be desirable
    > features for
    > > our planes, I suggest that our first priority for
    > an STC product
    > should be a
    > > set of shoulder harnesses for both the front and
    > back seats of our
    > planes.
    > > My plane does not have any shoulder harnesses,
    > just seat belts. I
    > would
    > > love to be able to install a set of shoulder
    > harnesses in my plane
    > so that
    > > in the terrible event I need them, my family and
    > children would
    > have that
    > > extra measure of protection they provide.
    > >
    > > Further, I would be happy to assist in the effort.
    > >
    > > Scott W. Flood
    > > A24 Super Mouse
    > > N6146N
    > >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Join BAC today and be a part of the ONLY Type Club
    > for the Musketeer series!
    >
    > www.beechaeroclub.org
    >
    >
    > Yahoo! Groups Links
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > [Non-text portions of this message have been
    > removed]
    >
    >




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  5. #5

    [BAC-Mail] Uncle BAC is Looking for a Few Good Men (and Wome

    I would second that. We're just about ready to buy a set from Rapid, just as soon as the second mortgage goes through and I have the amputation complete of an arm and a leg to cover the costs. The regs seem like the FAA wants us to put in shoulder harnesses, but the A & P's I talk to are nervous about anything other than Beech.

    Mark
    N24TD
    ================================================== ==========
    From: "Scott Flood" <sflood@iballot.com>
    Date: 2005/12/01 Thu PM 06:07:07 CST
    To: "BAC Mail" <bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org>, <musketeermail@yahoogroups.com>
    Subject: [musketeermail] RE: [BAC-Mail] Uncle BAC is Looking for a Few Good Men (and Women)

    Hello,

    While all the items that have been discussed would be desirable features for
    our planes, I suggest that our first priority for an STC product should be a
    set of shoulder harnesses for both the front and back seats of our planes.
    My plane does not have any shoulder harnesses, just seat belts. I would
    love to be able to install a set of shoulder harnesses in my plane so that
    in the terrible event I need them, my family and children would have that
    extra measure of protection they provide.

    Further, I would be happy to assist in the effort.

    Scott W. Flood
    A24 Super Mouse
    N6146N





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