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Thread: BAC-Mail Digest, Vol 6, Issue 3

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    BAC-Mail Digest, Vol 6, Issue 3

    Mike,

    I'm not sure if you are upset with me or not, but I think I agree with
    everything you said. I certainly think the best route is to try and do
    something through BAC and have some sort of organized scheme. Somebody
    that knows somebody that knows somebody with an engineering background
    seems a little convoluted and that seems to be what I am hearing on the
    Musketeermail. I am not able to follow all the different threads on the
    different issues, but wanted to chime in on the shoulder harness issue.

    In your e-mail it is the first time someone that I have seen
    articulated how the shoulder harnesses were attached and that seems to
    be a straight forward way to approach it. Do the parts manuals have
    drawings of the seat belt structures? Certainly, we could find someone
    to help us there(FAA & Beech).

    I think is would be important to have a board member of BAC that
    follows up and monitors these upgrade and mod activities.

    Shelby
    On Saturday, December 3, 2005, at 10:41 PM,
    bac-mail-request@beechaeroclub.org wrote:

    > Dern, Shelby. Did you not see Cloyd's proposal for just such a group
    > in
    > BAC, along with the stellar participants who have already signed on?

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    BAC-Mail Digest, Vol 6, Issue 3

    Heck no, I'm not upset with you, Shelby! Just trying for a little levity in
    the wording. That obviously didn't work! The skill sets I mentioned all
    reside with BAC members who have signed on to form the new BAC STC Committee
    (as opposed to someone who knows someone with the skills). I am really
    impressed with the skills these folks will be bringing to the process; I
    suspect they will have pretty smooth sailing with their first project. I'm
    not sure yet who will step forward to head up the program.

    The parts books are next to useless for the shoulder harnesses. They do
    list part numbers, for the early strap (0107363-1, two in stock at RAPID for
    $179.31), and for the later strap (500779-4, $492.96 and none in stock).
    Neither the pictures nor the listing descriptions make any mention of an
    inertia reel, but I suspect that both do have the reel. The early strap is
    the one that connects at the center seat belt hard point, and clips on a peg
    above the right shoulder. I suspect that the price is so relatively low on
    the early strap, despite the reel, is because it is New Old Stock. Probably
    been collecting dust on the parts shelf for a long time. Someone should
    probably snap those two up while they can. I simply don't know whether the
    upper hard point is already there or not, or if it was built in beginning
    with some serial number for each airframe series. Most people tend to look
    for a hard point in the wrong place (somewhere overhead), but they are
    usually just above the window line on the sidewall, in the corner of a
    bulkhead former.


    -----Original Message-----
    From: bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org
    [mailto:bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org] On Behalf Of Shelby Smith
    Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 8:37 AM
    To: bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org
    Subject: [BAC-Mail] Re: BAC-Mail Digest, Vol 6, Issue 3

    Mike,

    I'm not sure if you are upset with me or not, but I think I agree with
    everything you said. I certainly think the best route is to try and do
    something through BAC and have some sort of organized scheme. Somebody
    that knows somebody that knows somebody with an engineering background
    seems a little convoluted and that seems to be what I am hearing on the
    Musketeermail. I am not able to follow all the different threads on the
    different issues, but wanted to chime in on the shoulder harness issue.

    In your e-mail it is the first time someone that I have seen
    articulated how the shoulder harnesses were attached and that seems to
    be a straight forward way to approach it. Do the parts manuals have
    drawings of the seat belt structures? Certainly, we could find someone
    to help us there(FAA & Beech).

    I think is would be important to have a board member of BAC that
    follows up and monitors these upgrade and mod activities.

    Shelby
    On Saturday, December 3, 2005, at 10:41 PM,
    bac-mail-request@beechaeroclub.org wrote:

    > Dern, Shelby. Did you not see Cloyd's proposal for just such a group
    > in
    > BAC, along with the stellar participants who have already signed on?

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    rich at dahab.com
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    BAC-Mail Digest, Vol 6, Issue 3

    I looked into the Beech shoulder harness kit about 6 years ago. The cost
    was 1600, but the labor was going to be over 2400. The reason is that there
    are several new stringers that have to be attached overhead to hold the
    unit. I believe the number was in excess of a hundred new rivets.

    Rich Dahab
    N9119T
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Mike Rellihan" <rellihan@rellihan.com>
    To: "'Shelby Smith'" <rvaitor@comcast.net>; <bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org>
    Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:00 AM
    Subject: RE: [BAC-Mail] Re: BAC-Mail Digest, Vol 6, Issue 3


    > Heck no, I'm not upset with you, Shelby! Just trying for a little levity
    > in
    > the wording. That obviously didn't work! The skill sets I mentioned all
    > reside with BAC members who have signed on to form the new BAC STC
    > Committee
    > (as opposed to someone who knows someone with the skills). I am really
    > impressed with the skills these folks will be bringing to the process; I
    > suspect they will have pretty smooth sailing with their first project.
    > I'm
    > not sure yet who will step forward to head up the program.
    >
    > The parts books are next to useless for the shoulder harnesses. They do
    > list part numbers, for the early strap (0107363-1, two in stock at RAPID
    > for
    > $179.31), and for the later strap (500779-4, $492.96 and none in stock).
    > Neither the pictures nor the listing descriptions make any mention of an
    > inertia reel, but I suspect that both do have the reel. The early strap
    > is
    > the one that connects at the center seat belt hard point, and clips on a
    > peg
    > above the right shoulder. I suspect that the price is so relatively low
    > on
    > the early strap, despite the reel, is because it is New Old Stock.
    > Probably
    > been collecting dust on the parts shelf for a long time. Someone should
    > probably snap those two up while they can. I simply don't know whether
    > the
    > upper hard point is already there or not, or if it was built in beginning
    > with some serial number for each airframe series. Most people tend to
    > look
    > for a hard point in the wrong place (somewhere overhead), but they are
    > usually just above the window line on the sidewall, in the corner of a
    > bulkhead former.
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org
    > [mailto:bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org] On Behalf Of Shelby Smith
    > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 8:37 AM
    > To: bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org
    > Subject: [BAC-Mail] Re: BAC-Mail Digest, Vol 6, Issue 3
    >
    > Mike,
    >
    > I'm not sure if you are upset with me or not, but I think I agree with
    > everything you said. I certainly think the best route is to try and do
    > something through BAC and have some sort of organized scheme. Somebody
    > that knows somebody that knows somebody with an engineering background
    > seems a little convoluted and that seems to be what I am hearing on the
    > Musketeermail. I am not able to follow all the different threads on the
    > different issues, but wanted to chime in on the shoulder harness issue.
    >
    > In your e-mail it is the first time someone that I have seen
    > articulated how the shoulder harnesses were attached and that seems to
    > be a straight forward way to approach it. Do the parts manuals have
    > drawings of the seat belt structures? Certainly, we could find someone
    > to help us there(FAA & Beech).
    >
    > I think is would be important to have a board member of BAC that
    > follows up and monitors these upgrade and mod activities.
    >
    > Shelby
    > On Saturday, December 3, 2005, at 10:41 PM,
    > bac-mail-request@beechaeroclub.org wrote:
    >
    >> Dern, Shelby. Did you not see Cloyd's proposal for just such a group
    >> in
    >> BAC, along with the stellar participants who have already signed on?
    >
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