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  1. #1

    Agonizing over Tomahawk versus Beech Musketeer

    If the choice is between a Tomahawk and a Sport, go with the Sport.
    I've flown a Sport and can tell you that it was very easy on the
    pocketbook around annual. Operating costs were low. It is a very
    stable aircraft as an IFR platform.

    The only reason that I don't have one now is weight consideration. If
    the Sport's payload will work for you, get it. It sounds like is it
    very well equipped and would be fine for what you are looking to do
    (build time). If speed is a consideration, and you are constantly
    making 500nm+ trips, look for something faster (and more expensive).
    Since you are looking to build time, then what's the hurry?

    Of course, the best piece of advise, get a competent A&P that knows
    something about Musketeers to have a look at the aircraft.

    Good luck and good flying.

    Ray

    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Moore" <chrismoore@...>
    wrote:
    >
    > Hi guys,
    >
    > I just posted this message in the Piper Tomahawk group, and I
    figured
    > I should post the same here.
    >
    > I'm hoping to get some insight into Musketeers versus Tomahawks.
    I'm
    > currently going back and forth between two different partnership
    > opportunities. I think in the end it's going to come down to
    personal
    > preference, but I thought maybe I could get some opinions here.
    >
    > One of my options is a Tomahawk. It's cheap to buy into and cheap
    to
    > fly. Most of my flying is solo, and this seems like a great way to
    > build time inexpensively. The problem is, there are times I'd like
    to
    > take a passenger along, and other times I'd like to take the family
    > along. Payload on this TH is about 300 lbs, I'm about 225, which
    > means I can take one of my kids with me but that's about it. If I
    > want to be able to fly with the family, or even with another adult,
    > I'm going to have to keep up my membership at the local flying
    club.
    > The other downside is that this particular plane isn't very well
    > equipped - only one nav/com, no gps, no dme, not IFR certified.
    >
    > My other option is a 1969 Beech Musketeer Sport. It's going to cost
    > me about twice as much to buy into, and $20/hr more to fly. But
    with
    > a full 60 gallons of fuel in the tanks I can carry 480 lbs, which
    > means I can take an adult passenger. And with 30 gallons of fuel I
    > can take the whole family (it does have a back seat). It's also IFR
    > certified, has a GPS, dual nav/coms, new paint, nice interior -
    > generally a better looking plane that the TH. But the reviews I've
    > seen seem to have nothing good to say about the Musketeers,
    > particularly when it comes to performance.
    >
    > So, what do you think? Can anyone give me any insight into one
    versus
    > the other? I realize that this mostly depends on the individual
    > planes, which you've never seen, and on my personal perferences.
    But
    > if you've got any hints or thoughts on which is the "better" idea
    I'd
    > love to hear them.
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Chris
    >






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  2. #2

    Agonizing over Tomahawk versus Beech Musketeer

    Comparing performance of a Musketeer with a Tomahawk is absurd. The
    Musketeer will keep pace with a 160 HP Warrior or a Cessna 172. I
    have personally passed 172s after a 1 mile headstart. I don't know
    if they were at max power but I wasn't and it took me 20 miles but
    they were passed!. I regularyl cuise at 110 indicated. On a long
    cross country I had 130 Kts on my GPS at 9500 ft.

    The size differential is also a VERY important consideration. I have
    taken a full load of 4 people on a 100 dollar hamburger run.

    While the capacity is 60 gallons, performance is much better with 40
    (to the slots in the tabs). The difference is 375 Ft/min vs 700 in
    initial climb...

    The reports are wrong or biased.

    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Moore" <chrismoore@...>
    wrote:
    >
    > Hi guys,
    >
    > I just posted this message in the Piper Tomahawk group, and I
    figured
    > I should post the same here.
    >
    > I'm hoping to get some insight into Musketeers versus Tomahawks.
    I'm
    > currently going back and forth between two different partnership
    > opportunities. I think in the end it's going to come down to
    personal
    > preference, but I thought maybe I could get some opinions here.
    >
    > One of my options is a Tomahawk. It's cheap to buy into and cheap
    to
    > fly. Most of my flying is solo, and this seems like a great way to
    > build time inexpensively. The problem is, there are times I'd like
    to
    > take a passenger along, and other times I'd like to take the family
    > along. Payload on this TH is about 300 lbs, I'm about 225, which
    > means I can take one of my kids with me but that's about it. If I
    > want to be able to fly with the family, or even with another adult,
    > I'm going to have to keep up my membership at the local flying
    club.
    > The other downside is that this particular plane isn't very well
    > equipped - only one nav/com, no gps, no dme, not IFR certified.
    >
    > My other option is a 1969 Beech Musketeer Sport. It's going to cost
    > me about twice as much to buy into, and $20/hr more to fly. But
    with
    > a full 60 gallons of fuel in the tanks I can carry 480 lbs, which
    > means I can take an adult passenger. And with 30 gallons of fuel I
    > can take the whole family (it does have a back seat). It's also IFR
    > certified, has a GPS, dual nav/coms, new paint, nice interior -
    > generally a better looking plane that the TH. But the reviews I've
    > seen seem to have nothing good to say about the Musketeers,
    > particularly when it comes to performance.
    >
    > So, what do you think? Can anyone give me any insight into one
    versus
    > the other? I realize that this mostly depends on the individual
    > planes, which you've never seen, and on my personal perferences.
    But
    > if you've got any hints or thoughts on which is the "better" idea
    I'd
    > love to hear them.
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Chris
    >






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  3. #3

    Agonizing over Tomahawk versus Beech Musketeer

    You are asking the right questions, Chris. The Tomahawk group will give you all the reasons to choose the Piper and I suspect that your audience here will point you towards the Musketeer.

    Realize that one size does not fit all. The mission, payload and costs of the two types are totally different. A more valid comaprison would be the Tomahawk vs. the Beech Skipper, although that may not be one of the aircraft available for you to buy into. Both the Tomahawk and the Musketeer series ahve gotten bad press over the years albeit for different reasons. I've flown both, owned a Sundowner, and much prefer the Beech product. Again, it is personal preference and mission dependent. One consideration would be that you mention you are 300 pounds. You will NOT be comfortable in a T'hawk for anything over an hour or so - they are really small!

    I'm sure you will enjoy whichever you choose. I'd strongly suggest that you fly each for a good cross-country, not just a half hour or so of local, before you decide.

    Jack

    -----Original Message-----
    >From: Chris Moore <chrismoore@surewest.net>
    >Sent: Feb 14, 2006 4:58 PM
    >To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    >Subject: [musketeermail] Agonizing over Tomahawk versus Beech Musketeer
    >
    >Hi guys,
    >
    >I just posted this message in the Piper Tomahawk group, and I figured
    >I should post the same here.
    >
    >I'm hoping to get some insight into Musketeers versus Tomahawks. I'm
    >currently going back and forth between two different partnership
    >opportunities. I think in the end it's going to come down to personal
    >preference, but I thought maybe I could get some opinions here.
    >
    >One of my options is a Tomahawk. It's cheap to buy into and cheap to
    >fly. Most of my flying is solo, and this seems like a great way to
    >build time inexpensively. The problem is, there are times I'd like to
    >take a passenger along, and other times I'd like to take the family
    >along. Payload on this TH is about 300 lbs, I'm about 225, which
    >means I can take one of my kids with me but that's about it. If I
    >want to be able to fly with the family, or even with another adult,
    >I'm going to have to keep up my membership at the local flying club.
    >The other downside is that this particular plane isn't very well
    >equipped - only one nav/com, no gps, no dme, not IFR certified.
    >
    >My other option is a 1969 Beech Musketeer Sport. It's going to cost
    >me about twice as much to buy into, and $20/hr more to fly. But with
    >a full 60 gallons of fuel in the tanks I can carry 480 lbs, which
    >means I can take an adult passenger. And with 30 gallons of fuel I
    >can take the whole family (it does have a back seat). It's also IFR
    >certified, has a GPS, dual nav/coms, new paint, nice interior -
    >generally a better looking plane that the TH. But the reviews I've
    >seen seem to have nothing good to say about the Musketeers,
    >particularly when it comes to performance.
    >
    >So, what do you think? Can anyone give me any insight into one versus
    >the other? I realize that this mostly depends on the individual
    >planes, which you've never seen, and on my personal perferences. But
    >if you've got any hints or thoughts on which is the "better" idea I'd
    >love to hear them.
    >
    >Thanks,
    >
    >Chris
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >Join BAC today and be a part of the ONLY Type Club for the Musketeer series!
    >
    >www.beechaeroclub.org
    >
    >
    >Yahoo! Groups Links
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >



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  4. #4

    Agonizing over Tomahawk versus Beech Musketeer

    There's been some good advice from the others. We got back into the
    ownership game with a Stinson 10A, a Cessna 150, and now a '74
    Sport. We got into the 150 as a project and a cheap way to take the
    kids flying. Coming from the 150 to the Sport is about what you're
    talking about. If you want something to pound touch & goes with and
    never really go more than an hour with a friend (longer alone), the
    150 or Traumahawk get the job done. I spent happy hours doing touch
    & goes on summer evenings.

    But even then, the trainer was still a trainer and just wasn't
    comfortable. Before we sold it, I couldn't get my kids (15 & 1 or
    wife to even sit in the 150 any more. Plus, since you even
    whispered IFR, you're possibly already on the verge of needing more
    comfort, cockpit space, and range. You've already described the
    first symptom of outgrowing the trainer.

    The Sport is also a 100+ mph slow airplane and you better check the
    real weight & balance for the plane you're looking at, because many
    of the 150hp versions don't have much true usefull, especially those
    with an IFR panel. The Beech costs about 2.5 gph more gas to fly,
    and the insurance bill went up a little over a hundred bucks/year.

    However, my wife and kids liken the view and ride to that of a car
    and get a kick out of bag lunches while watching the country side go
    by. They'll read a book, which they never could do in the Cessna.
    It's quieter and smoother, with better gust penetration (less
    bouncing around in summer). We can take three real people for a day
    at the beach in the summer, or two adults and two kids for short
    hops, or two and fly for over 6 hours. Few planes of this price
    range have that flexibility. The light and harmonized control feel
    of a Mouse was intentionally made one of the best, to get people to
    stay in the Beech family. We've learned that the horror stories
    about Beech part costs are just that - stories.

    Try both, but don't get stuck on cost!
    Bob Swaim
    N6504R at Davis (W50) in Md
    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Moore" <chrismoore@...>
    wrote:
    >
    > Hi guys,
    >
    > I just posted this message in the Piper Tomahawk group, and I
    figured
    > I should post the same here.
    >
    > I'm hoping to get some insight into Musketeers versus Tomahawks.
    I'm
    > currently going back and forth between two different partnership
    > opportunities. I think in the end it's going to come down to
    personal
    > preference, but I thought maybe I could get some opinions here.
    >
    > One of my options is a Tomahawk. It's cheap to buy into and cheap
    to
    > fly. Most of my flying is solo, and this seems like a great way to
    > build time inexpensively. The problem is, there are times I'd
    like to
    > take a passenger along, and other times I'd like to take the family
    > along. Payload on this TH is about 300 lbs, I'm about 225, which
    > means I can take one of my kids with me but that's about it. If I
    > want to be able to fly with the family, or even with another adult,
    > I'm going to have to keep up my membership at the local flying
    club.
    > The other downside is that this particular plane isn't very well
    > equipped - only one nav/com, no gps, no dme, not IFR certified.
    >
    > My other option is a 1969 Beech Musketeer Sport. It's going to
    cost
    > me about twice as much to buy into, and $20/hr more to fly. But
    with
    > a full 60 gallons of fuel in the tanks I can carry 480 lbs, which
    > means I can take an adult passenger. And with 30 gallons of fuel I
    > can take the whole family (it does have a back seat). It's also
    IFR
    > certified, has a GPS, dual nav/coms, new paint, nice interior -
    > generally a better looking plane that the TH. But the reviews I've
    > seen seem to have nothing good to say about the Musketeers,
    > particularly when it comes to performance.
    >
    > So, what do you think? Can anyone give me any insight into one
    versus
    > the other? I realize that this mostly depends on the individual
    > planes, which you've never seen, and on my personal perferences.
    But
    > if you've got any hints or thoughts on which is the "better" idea
    I'd
    > love to hear them.
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Chris
    >






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