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  1. #1

    [musketeermail] AEC

    This is normal for a niche company such as AEC. They are not accustomed to
    retail sales. They set up the online ordering just for us. Their market
    niche is to work with a retailer (like Aircraft Spruce, or some aircraft
    maintenance, refinishing, or completion outfit), to PMA some common but
    overpriced part in a large bulk order, which is then purchased (in its
    entirety) by the business partner and used in their line of work (in lieu of
    the OEM parts). An example might be a support cable for an airstair door,
    which costs $1,000 from Cessna but $50 to make, and is required every time a
    shop reconditions a CitationJet. Normally, in a deal like our gear
    cushions, some entity (like BAC) would have had to commit to buy the entire
    batch of product, or it would not get made at all. In our case, that was
    out of the question due to the sheer amount of money involved. Not to
    mention stocking, resale, and shipping issues. So AEC bit the bullet and
    set up their own stocking and retail sales for us. Which I thought was
    pretty decent of them to do, for what is basically an engineering, sourcing,
    testing, and wholesaling outfit.

    We have to be able to create and maintain working relationships with
    companies such as AEC, if we hope to have any luck in the PMA market. We
    just are not in a position to operate a storefront business. At least, not
    yet. Maybe the day will come, but I doubt my flying days will see it. The
    very few Type Clubs (or aviation clubs period) that do that, all have paid
    facilities, paid staff, etc. BAC is an all-volunteer organization, and is
    unlikely to ever have the number of members that could support a paid
    organization location and staff. At least, not at any reasonable level of
    dues expense.

    There are still a fair number of people who have registered on BAC but who
    have not joined with paid dues. And a fair number of people who continue to
    choose not to join, for reasons mostly beyond my grasp, in light of
    everything we are trying to do (and have managed to do so far). Fortunately
    we have found that most of those who manage to find us via accidental
    encounter (Google searches, my eBay sales hints, personal references, etc.)
    not only join immediately, but are enthusiastic new members. As Tim Flight
    recently pointed out (and largely due to his efforts), if anyone types the
    words 'Beech aircraft club' into Google, BAC is now the second hit that
    comes up. We are becoming more widely known.

    This has helped us continue membership growth, despite the usual attrition
    related to aircraft sales, lost medicals, etc. We even have some folks who
    sold their plane but renew as members anyway. My personal conviction is
    that owning one of our models, but deliberately avoiding BAC, is like
    cutting off your nose to spite your face. In our case, we aren't
    exclusionary, so those folks still reap some of our benefits. There are
    probably some few who feel they are getting something for nothing and coming
    out ahead; getting some of BAC's benefits without the cost of dues. I
    wouldn't go so far as to view them as part of some 'problem'; but they sure
    aren't making themselves part of any 'solution'. Yet they will benefit from
    opportunities such as the AEC gear cushions.


    -----Original Message-----
    From: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:musketeermail@yahoogroups.com]
    On Behalf Of Ed Fitchett
    Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:04 PM
    To: Musketeer Mail
    Subject: [musketeermail] AEC

    Did anyone else notice that seemingly - the ONLY parts AEC has on their
    website ( http://www.aec-inc.com ) are our donuts and jobolts? I wondered if
    my computer had magically connected with AEC to tell them I was in the
    Musketeer lineup as this is all I found? No, after hunting around they seem
    to be the only parts they have on display, and if true, I understand why
    they need our $ now.....so I just bought a set!

    Ed Fitchett
    C-GBTC
    Toronto


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  2. #2
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    [musketeermail] AEC

    Well said
    Al Todd
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Michael Rellihan" <rellihan@rellihan.com>
    To: "'Ed Fitchett'" <efitchett@sympatico.ca>; "'Musketeer Mail'"
    <musketeermail@yahoogroups.com>; <bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org>
    Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 10:19 PM
    Subject: RE: [musketeermail] AEC


    > This is normal for a niche company such as AEC. They are not accustomed
    to
    > retail sales. They set up the online ordering just for us. Their market
    > niche is to work with a retailer (like Aircraft Spruce, or some aircraft
    > maintenance, refinishing, or completion outfit), to PMA some common but
    > overpriced part in a large bulk order, which is then purchased (in its
    > entirety) by the business partner and used in their line of work (in lieu
    of
    > the OEM parts). An example might be a support cable for an airstair door,
    > which costs $1,000 from Cessna but $50 to make, and is required every time
    a
    > shop reconditions a CitationJet. Normally, in a deal like our gear
    > cushions, some entity (like BAC) would have had to commit to buy the
    entire
    > batch of product, or it would not get made at all. In our case, that was
    > out of the question due to the sheer amount of money involved. Not to
    > mention stocking, resale, and shipping issues. So AEC bit the bullet and
    > set up their own stocking and retail sales for us. Which I thought was
    > pretty decent of them to do, for what is basically an engineering,
    sourcing,
    > testing, and wholesaling outfit.
    >
    > We have to be able to create and maintain working relationships with
    > companies such as AEC, if we hope to have any luck in the PMA market. We
    > just are not in a position to operate a storefront business. At least,
    not
    > yet. Maybe the day will come, but I doubt my flying days will see it.
    The
    > very few Type Clubs (or aviation clubs period) that do that, all have paid
    > facilities, paid staff, etc. BAC is an all-volunteer organization, and is
    > unlikely to ever have the number of members that could support a paid
    > organization location and staff. At least, not at any reasonable level of
    > dues expense.
    >
    > There are still a fair number of people who have registered on BAC but who
    > have not joined with paid dues. And a fair number of people who continue
    to
    > choose not to join, for reasons mostly beyond my grasp, in light of
    > everything we are trying to do (and have managed to do so far).
    Fortunately
    > we have found that most of those who manage to find us via accidental
    > encounter (Google searches, my eBay sales hints, personal references,
    etc.)
    > not only join immediately, but are enthusiastic new members. As Tim
    Flight
    > recently pointed out (and largely due to his efforts), if anyone types the
    > words 'Beech aircraft club' into Google, BAC is now the second hit that
    > comes up. We are becoming more widely known.
    >
    > This has helped us continue membership growth, despite the usual attrition
    > related to aircraft sales, lost medicals, etc. We even have some folks
    who
    > sold their plane but renew as members anyway. My personal conviction is
    > that owning one of our models, but deliberately avoiding BAC, is like
    > cutting off your nose to spite your face. In our case, we aren't
    > exclusionary, so those folks still reap some of our benefits. There are
    > probably some few who feel they are getting something for nothing and
    coming
    > out ahead; getting some of BAC's benefits without the cost of dues. I
    > wouldn't go so far as to view them as part of some 'problem'; but they
    sure
    > aren't making themselves part of any 'solution'. Yet they will benefit
    from
    > opportunities such as the AEC gear cushions.
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:musketeermail@yahoogroups.com]
    > On Behalf Of Ed Fitchett
    > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:04 PM
    > To: Musketeer Mail
    > Subject: [musketeermail] AEC
    >
    > Did anyone else notice that seemingly - the ONLY parts AEC has on their
    > website ( http://www.aec-inc.com ) are our donuts and jobolts? I wondered
    if
    > my computer had magically connected with AEC to tell them I was in the
    > Musketeer lineup as this is all I found? No, after hunting around they
    seem
    > to be the only parts they have on display, and if true, I understand why
    > they need our $ now.....so I just bought a set!
    >
    > Ed Fitchett
    > C-GBTC
    > Toronto
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Join BAC today and be a part of the ONLY Type Club for the Musketeer
    series!
    >
    > www.beechaeroclub.org
    >
    >
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  3. #3

    [musketeermail] AEC

    Again, Mike hits another homerun. Your articulate explanation of the
    workings of aviation engineering niche companies providing value added hard
    to find PMA parts such as our donuts, is timely and yet another excellent
    demonstration of why member volunteers such as Mike and the rest of the BAC
    volunteers make my membership dues a mere pittance in contrast to the money
    and time it saves me keeping my bird in the sky. Establishing additional
    strategic relationships with firms such as AEC to produce other hard to find
    parts (i.e., door hardware mechanisms, etc.) is greatly encouraged.



    Mark Perry

    N6997R (M-1745)







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    From: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:musketeermail@yahoogroups.com]
    On Behalf Of Michael Rellihan
    Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 10:20 PM
    To: 'Ed Fitchett'; 'Musketeer Mail'; bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org
    Subject: RE: [musketeermail] AEC



    This is normal for a niche company such as AEC. They are not accustomed to
    retail sales. They set up the online ordering just for us. Their market
    niche is to work with a retailer (like Aircraft Spruce, or some aircraft
    maintenance, refinishing, or completion outfit), to PMA some common but
    overpriced part in a large bulk order, which is then purchased (in its
    entirety) by the business partner and used in their line of work (in lieu of
    the OEM parts). An example might be a support cable for an airstair door,
    which costs $1,000 from Cessna but $50 to make, and is required every time a
    shop reconditions a CitationJet. Normally, in a deal like our gear
    cushions, some entity (like BAC) would have had to commit to buy the entire
    batch of product, or it would not get made at all. In our case, that was
    out of the question due to the sheer amount of money involved. Not to
    mention stocking, resale, and shipping issues. So AEC bit the bullet and
    set up their own stocking and retail sales for us. Which I thought was
    pretty decent of them to do, for what is basically an engineering, sourcing,
    testing, and wholesaling outfit.

    We have to be able to create and maintain working relationships with
    companies such as AEC, if we hope to have any luck in the PMA market. We
    just are not in a position to operate a storefront business. At least, not
    yet. Maybe the day will come, but I doubt my flying days will see it. The
    very few Type Clubs (or aviation clubs period) that do that, all have paid
    facilities, paid staff, etc. BAC is an all-volunteer organization, and is
    unlikely to ever have the number of members that could support a paid
    organization location and staff. At least, not at any reasonable level of
    dues expense.

    There are still a fair number of people who have registered on BAC but who
    have not joined with paid dues. And a fair number of people who continue to
    choose not to join, for reasons mostly beyond my grasp, in light of
    everything we are trying to do (and have managed to do so far). Fortunately
    we have found that most of those who manage to find us via accidental
    encounter (Google searches, my eBay sales hints, personal references, etc.)
    not only join immediately, but are enthusiastic new members. As Tim Flight
    recently pointed out (and largely due to his efforts), if anyone types the
    words 'Beech aircraft club' into Google, BAC is now the second hit that
    comes up. We are becoming more widely known.

    This has helped us continue membership growth, despite the usual attrition
    related to aircraft sales, lost medicals, etc. We even have some folks who
    sold their plane but renew as members anyway. My personal conviction is
    that owning one of our models, but deliberately avoiding BAC, is like
    cutting off your nose to spite your face. In our case, we aren't
    exclusionary, so those folks still reap some of our benefits. There are
    probably some few who feel they are getting something for nothing and coming
    out ahead; getting some of BAC's benefits without the cost of dues. I
    wouldn't go so far as to view them as part of some 'problem'; but they sure
    aren't making themselves part of any 'solution'. Yet they will benefit from
    opportunities such as the AEC gear cushions.


    -----Original Message-----
    From: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:musketeermail@yahoogroups.com]
    On Behalf Of Ed Fitchett
    Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:04 PM
    To: Musketeer Mail
    Subject: [musketeermail] AEC

    Did anyone else notice that seemingly - the ONLY parts AEC has on their
    website ( http://www.aec-inc.com ) are our donuts and jobolts? I wondered if
    my computer had magically connected with AEC to tell them I was in the
    Musketeer lineup as this is all I found? No, after hunting around they seem
    to be the only parts they have on display, and if true, I understand why
    they need our $ now.....so I just bought a set!

    Ed Fitchett
    C-GBTC
    Toronto




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  4. #4

    [musketeermail] AEC

    Just to pass along some information. I ordered a set of cushions from AEC last week for my Sierra. I received an E-Mail today that the revised cushions for the retracts should be in Friday and they anticipate that after checking them out they should ship in a week or two. After reading the posts on this subject and ordering a set, It reinforces what Mike said, they are not set up to sell individually. These people are not a sales organization and do not want to spend a lot of resources in handling sales. I believe they are doing us a tremendous favor by selling direct to us and I recommend that if you need them get them because they will not be this price for long.
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