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  1. #1
    mike at rellihan.com
    Guest

    Rosen PMA Status Inquiry

    Status update from Rosen on the 19/23/24/76 PMA application. Not very good
    news.

    _____

    From: Mike Fiske [mailto:mfiske@rosenvisor.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 11:34 AM
    To: mike@rellihan.com
    Subject: RE: PMA Status Inquiry

    Hello Mike,

    Initially, our discussion with the FAA indicated that simply providing
    completed field approval documents would simplify our STC application
    process. Unfortunately, personnel at our local ACO has changed yet again
    and along with that change came a change in "interpretation"

    The new FAA representative is requiring that we provide a complete
    application package that includes parts documentation, engineering analysis,
    installation conformity flight testing and everything else in spite of the
    previous field approved installations. This makes the process much more
    time consuming and costly.

    It's difficult to estimate a completion date at this time but I suspect at
    least a year.

    I apologize for the delay. Inconsistency at the FAA is always frustrating.
    Mike Fiske
    Sales & Marketing Manager
    Rosen Sunvisor Systems

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Michael Rellihan [mailto:mike@rellihan.com]
    Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 9:19 PM
    To: Mike Fiske
    Subject: PMA Status Inquiry

    Mike, any word yet on the PMA application for the Beech Models
    19/23/24/76/77? I keep getting questions from BAC members on future
    availability.

    _____

    From: Mike Fiske [mailto:mfiske@rosenvisor.com]
    Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 10:52 AM
    To: mike@rellihan.com
    Subject: RE: Another Rosen 337, Beech A23-24 Super Musketeer

    Thanks Mike
    I'll forward this on to Engineering
    Many Thanks for your help

    Mike

    Mike Fiske
    Sales & Marketing Manager
    Rosen Sunvisor Systems

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Michael Rellihan [mailto:mike@rellihan.com]
    Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:47 PM
    To: Mike Fiske
    Subject: Another Rosen 337, Beech A23-24 Super Musketeer


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  2. #2

    Rosen PMA Status Inquiry

    I have to chime in here,

    These are sun visors for GODs sake. How in the world can this even remotely
    be considered as a MAJOR REPAIR and ALTERATION requiring a 337?

    I have to believe that someone in the FAA has to justify there job here
    somewhere with all the cutbacks and all.

    The ACO office would have to explain the SAFETY ASPECT here to me if I was
    Rosen. I have not been able to find one accident from ANY model airplane
    EVER on the NTSB website where the cause of the accident was SUN VISOR
    FAILURE.

    I think that a Log Book entry would be enough here. Please someone find a
    reference in FAR 43 saying this is a 337 Issue? I even looked at 8100.10 and
    cant find anything there either and that is the FSDO BIBLE Despite what some
    folks in the FSDO and ACO have to say about it.


    I know this is a tough issue but come on. There are more important issues to
    fuss over than a sun visor replacement.

    I am done now and feel much better.

    Jeff Bryant






    -----Original Message-----
    From: bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org
    [mailto:bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org] On Behalf Of Michael Rellihan
    Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 7:17 PM
    To: bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org
    Subject: [BAC-Mail] Rosen PMA Status Inquiry

    Status update from Rosen on the 19/23/24/76 PMA application. Not very good
    news.

    _____

    From: Mike Fiske [mailto:mfiske@rosenvisor.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 11:34 AM
    To: mike@rellihan.com
    Subject: RE: PMA Status Inquiry

    Hello Mike,

    Initially, our discussion with the FAA indicated that simply providing
    completed field approval documents would simplify our STC application
    process. Unfortunately, personnel at our local ACO has changed yet again
    and along with that change came a change in "interpretation"

    The new FAA representative is requiring that we provide a complete
    application package that includes parts documentation, engineering analysis,
    installation conformity flight testing and everything else in spite of the
    previous field approved installations. This makes the process much more
    time consuming and costly.

    It's difficult to estimate a completion date at this time but I suspect at
    least a year.

    I apologize for the delay. Inconsistency at the FAA is always frustrating.
    Mike Fiske
    Sales & Marketing Manager
    Rosen Sunvisor Systems

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Michael Rellihan [mailto:mike@rellihan.com]
    Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 9:19 PM
    To: Mike Fiske
    Subject: PMA Status Inquiry

    Mike, any word yet on the PMA application for the Beech Models
    19/23/24/76/77? I keep getting questions from BAC members on future
    availability.

    _____

    From: Mike Fiske [mailto:mfiske@rosenvisor.com]
    Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 10:52 AM
    To: mike@rellihan.com
    Subject: RE: Another Rosen 337, Beech A23-24 Super Musketeer

    Thanks Mike
    I'll forward this on to Engineering
    Many Thanks for your help

    Mike

    Mike Fiske
    Sales & Marketing Manager
    Rosen Sunvisor Systems

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Michael Rellihan [mailto:mike@rellihan.com]
    Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:47 PM
    To: Mike Fiske
    Subject: Another Rosen 337, Beech A23-24 Super Musketeer


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  3. #3
    sking at lbcc.edu
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    Rosen PMA Status Inquiry

    I recently (March 14-15) attended an FAA IA renewal/A&P refresher seminar at Long Beach, CA. The primary speaker for both days was Bill O'Brien, "FAA National Resource Specialist." He's apparently been the primary author for many of the maintenance-related new and revised regulations in recent decades. I asked him about the paperwork for the Rosen installation. He said it would just require a logbook entry.

    Steve King
    A&P, CFI
    N6007Y


    -----Original Message-----
    From: bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org on behalf of Jeff and Teresa Bryant
    Sent: Sun 4/2/2006 8:38 PM
    To: mike@rellihan.com; bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org
    Subject: RE: [BAC-Mail] Rosen PMA Status Inquiry

    I have to chime in here,

    These are sun visors for GODs sake. How in the world can this even remotely
    be considered as a MAJOR REPAIR and ALTERATION requiring a 337?

    I have to believe that someone in the FAA has to justify there job here
    somewhere with all the cutbacks and all.

    The ACO office would have to explain the SAFETY ASPECT here to me if I was
    Rosen. I have not been able to find one accident from ANY model airplane
    EVER on the NTSB website where the cause of the accident was SUN VISOR
    FAILURE.

    I think that a Log Book entry would be enough here. Please someone find a
    reference in FAR 43 saying this is a 337 Issue? I even looked at 8100.10 and
    cant find anything there either and that is the FSDO BIBLE Despite what some
    folks in the FSDO and ACO have to say about it.


    I know this is a tough issue but come on. There are more important issues to
    fuss over than a sun visor replacement.

    I am done now and feel much better.

    Jeff Bryant






    -----Original Message-----
    From: bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org
    [mailto:bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org] On Behalf Of Michael Rellihan
    Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 7:17 PM
    To: bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org
    Subject: [BAC-Mail] Rosen PMA Status Inquiry

    Status update from Rosen on the 19/23/24/76 PMA application. Not very good
    news.

    _____

    From: Mike Fiske [mailto:mfiske@rosenvisor.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 11:34 AM
    To: mike@rellihan.com
    Subject: RE: PMA Status Inquiry

    Hello Mike,

    Initially, our discussion with the FAA indicated that simply providing
    completed field approval documents would simplify our STC application
    process. Unfortunately, personnel at our local ACO has changed yet again
    and along with that change came a change in "interpretation"

    The new FAA representative is requiring that we provide a complete
    application package that includes parts documentation, engineering analysis,
    installation conformity flight testing and everything else in spite of the
    previous field approved installations. This makes the process much more
    time consuming and costly.

    It's difficult to estimate a completion date at this time but I suspect at
    least a year.

    I apologize for the delay. Inconsistency at the FAA is always frustrating.
    Mike Fiske
    Sales & Marketing Manager
    Rosen Sunvisor Systems

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Michael Rellihan [mailto:mike@rellihan.com]
    Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 9:19 PM
    To: Mike Fiske
    Subject: PMA Status Inquiry

    Mike, any word yet on the PMA application for the Beech Models
    19/23/24/76/77? I keep getting questions from BAC members on future
    availability.

    _____

    From: Mike Fiske [mailto:mfiske@rosenvisor.com]
    Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 10:52 AM
    To: mike@rellihan.com
    Subject: RE: Another Rosen 337, Beech A23-24 Super Musketeer

    Thanks Mike
    I'll forward this on to Engineering
    Many Thanks for your help

    Mike

    Mike Fiske
    Sales & Marketing Manager
    Rosen Sunvisor Systems

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Michael Rellihan [mailto:mike@rellihan.com]
    Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:47 PM
    To: Mike Fiske
    Subject: Another Rosen 337, Beech A23-24 Super Musketeer


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  4. #4
    mike at rellihan.com
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    Rosen PMA Status Inquiry

    There may be some confusion reflected in the various replies to my update.
    The commentary has revolved around the installation and related approvals or
    logging. What Rosen is facing is the complication associated with the
    manufacture of a part for a certified aircraft, and the associated PMA
    approval. It won't do us any good to be able to install Rosens with a
    logbook entry, if Rosen cannot manufacture and advertise them for sale
    without a PMA.


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Steve King [mailto:sking@lbcc.edu]
    Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:46 AM
    To: Jeff and Teresa Bryant; mike@rellihan.com; bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org
    Subject: RE: [BAC-Mail] Rosen PMA Status Inquiry

    I recently (March 14-15) attended an FAA IA renewal/A&P refresher seminar at
    Long Beach, CA. The primary speaker for both days was Bill O'Brien, "FAA
    National Resource Specialist." He's apparently been the primary author for
    many of the maintenance-related new and revised regulations in recent
    decades. I asked him about the paperwork for the Rosen installation. He
    said it would just require a logbook entry.

    Steve King
    A&P, CFI
    N6007Y


    -----Original Message-----
    From: bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org on behalf of Jeff and Teresa Bryant
    Sent: Sun 4/2/2006 8:38 PM
    To: mike@rellihan.com; bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org
    Subject: RE: [BAC-Mail] Rosen PMA Status Inquiry

    I have to chime in here,

    These are sun visors for GOD's sake. How in the world can this even remotely
    be considered as a MAJOR REPAIR and ALTERATION requiring a 337?

    I have to believe that someone in the FAA has to justify there job here
    somewhere with all the cutbacks and all.

    The ACO office would have to explain the SAFETY ASPECT here to me if I was
    Rosen. I have not been able to find one accident from ANY model airplane
    EVER on the NTSB website where the cause of the accident was SUN VISOR
    FAILURE.

    I think that a Log Book entry would be enough here. Please someone find a
    reference in FAR 43 saying this is a 337 Issue? I even looked at 8100.10 and
    cant find anything there either and that is the FSDO BIBLE Despite what some
    folks in the FSDO and ACO have to say about it.


    I know this is a tough issue but come on. There are more important issues to
    fuss over than a sun visor replacement.

    I am done now and feel much better.

    Jeff Bryant






    -----Original Message-----
    From: bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org
    [mailto:bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org] On Behalf Of Michael Rellihan
    Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 7:17 PM
    To: bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org
    Subject: [BAC-Mail] Rosen PMA Status Inquiry

    Status update from Rosen on the 19/23/24/76 PMA application. Not very good
    news.

    _____

    From: Mike Fiske [mailto:mfiske@rosenvisor.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 11:34 AM
    To: mike@rellihan.com
    Subject: RE: PMA Status Inquiry

    Hello Mike,

    Initially, our discussion with the FAA indicated that simply providing
    completed field approval documents would simplify our STC application
    process. Unfortunately, personnel at our local ACO has changed yet again
    and along with that change came a change in "interpretation"

    The new FAA representative is requiring that we provide a complete
    application package that includes parts documentation, engineering analysis,
    installation conformity flight testing and everything else in spite of the
    previous field approved installations. This makes the process much more
    time consuming and costly.

    It's difficult to estimate a completion date at this time but I suspect at
    least a year.

    I apologize for the delay. Inconsistency at the FAA is always frustrating.
    Mike Fiske
    Sales & Marketing Manager
    Rosen Sunvisor Systems

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Michael Rellihan [mailto:mike@rellihan.com]
    Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 9:19 PM
    To: Mike Fiske
    Subject: PMA Status Inquiry

    Mike, any word yet on the PMA application for the Beech Models
    19/23/24/76/77? I keep getting questions from BAC members on future
    availability.


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