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  1. #1

    Instrument training

    Hello All,

    My initial training has kind of stalled out due to scheduling problems with
    a local instructor. I'm considering an accelerated instrument program and
    had a brief discussion with the owner of Gatts in Manhattan, Kansas.
    Naturally, he made it sound like a great program but mentioned they do
    things a bit differently - they don't base things off of the AI. They don't
    teach it as a primary instrument at all (?). His brief explanation sounded
    plausible at the time but I'm curious if anyone here has heard of this idea
    and does anyone know anything at all about Gatts in general?

    Thanks.

    -Rick




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  2. #2

    Instrument training

    Rick, what he may mean by that is that the AI is never (well, hardly
    ever) the instrument that most immediately informs you of a need to
    alter pitch, bank angle or power. That's the definition of
    a "primary instrument" in IFR flying. For instance, the altimeter is
    primary for pitch in level flight - it's the most sensitive
    instrument to, and therefore the first to show a deviation from,
    level flight. The AI will also show a deviation, but a much more
    subtle one - it and the VSI are "supporting" instruments for pitch.

    The catch is that the AI *is* sometimes primary, to wit, when
    transitioning between level flight and a climb or descent or bank.
    Once established in the new flight regime, it becomes supporting once
    again.

    I have no specific knowledge about that particular flight school, but
    I did get my instrument ticket in one hectic week from another
    similar operation. I'm glad I did, because it suited my schedule,
    learning style and temperament perfectly. You have to decide for
    yourself whether it suits yours, or whether you'd learn better with
    more time to think between lessons.

    I'll also humbly add that, while some will advise you that these
    quickie courses turn out inferior instrument pilots, I consider mine
    to be perfectly adequate. How well you learn is more a function of
    your attitude than of the school's cirriculum.

    Every student learns a little bit differently, and it's impossible to
    tell from this distance what would be the most efficient learning
    process for you. I will say this: If you don't go on a training
    flight at least twice a week, you're shoveling money in the fireplace.

    Craig MacCallum, CFI
    About to take the CFII practical test. Does it show?
    Sierra N525SB
    Montclair, NJ

    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <rick@...> wrote:
    >
    > Hello All,
    >
    > My initial training has kind of stalled out due to scheduling
    problems with
    > a local instructor. I'm considering an accelerated instrument
    program and
    > had a brief discussion with the owner of Gatts in Manhattan, Kansas.
    > Naturally, he made it sound like a great program but mentioned they
    do
    > things a bit differently - they don't base things off of the AI.
    They don't
    > teach it as a primary instrument at all (?). His brief explanation
    sounded
    > plausible at the time but I'm curious if anyone here has heard of
    this idea
    > and does anyone know anything at all about Gatts in general?
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    > -Rick
    >







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  3. #3

    Instrument training

    I did my instrument training in 8 weeks with a CFII I picked ahead of time.
    I surveyed 3 guys at my local airport. I explained I wanted to fly 3-4 times
    per week at 7-730AM. And get it done in 10 weeks.

    Only one guy said he'd be there the each time. I was his first Instrument
    student.

    It was great. No sim, we flew every day the ceiling let us get back IN to
    our field and all wilth my Sundowner.

    My write up on the check ride is in the files section of BAC.

    I have some awesome experiences just from those 8 weeks.

    The most notable was taking off from Asheville with a low ceiling. The tower
    says maintain max angle of climb, then "Now turn 90 degrees to the EAST (my
    right)".
    I make the turn, and exit the cloud cover, Immediately to the left is the
    top of a mountain poking thru the top of the clouds. My instructor says to
    me.. Take a look out the left window and see why he had you turn right. ..
    AWESOME, simply AWESOME.

    As the leader of the A Team always said... "I just love it when a plan comes
    together".

    Dr Bill
    N9230S 76 Sundowner.


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  4. #4

    Instrument training

    My local trainer in Australia has the AI in one of the training aircraft
    inthe centre of the plane - DELIBERATELY so that it is not part of your
    primary scan. Partial panel stuff really does become routine once you
    have got a few hours under the belt.

    -Allan Palmer
    Anaesthetist, Brisbane
    MSN: allan@palmer.net.au


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    Subject: [musketeermail] Re: Instrument training


    Hello All,

    My initial training has kind of stalled out due to scheduling problems
    with
    a local instructor. I'm considering an accelerated instrument program
    and
    had a brief discussion with the owner of Gatts in Manhattan, Kansas.
    Naturally, he made it sound like a great program but mentioned they do
    things a bit differently - they don't base things off of the AI. They
    don't
    teach it as a primary instrument at all (?). His brief explanation
    sounded
    plausible at the time but I'm curious if anyone here has heard of this
    idea
    and does anyone know anything at all about Gatts in general?

    Thanks.

    -Rick




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  5. #5

    Instrument training

    Rick, AMEN to Allan's comments. At the risk of dating myself, I learned to fly 61 years ago, and my intro to instruments was the old "needle/ball/airspeed", with turns based on the magnetic compass! Later we were allowed to use the new-fangled gyros and compasses! Learn the "steam gages" and you will really appreciate the "good" stuff. But if they fail, you have good backup. Lee Robinson W. Palm Beach, FL
    >
    > From: "Allan Palmer" <allan@palmer.net.au>
    > Date: 2006/05/12 Fri PM 05:13:30 EDT
    > To: "Rick" <rick@denverflash.com>,
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    > Subject: RE: [musketeermail] Re: Instrument training
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  6. #6

    Instrument training

    Ha buddy, my 45 year Brit CFII taught me the same way if you have gyros out;
    standard rate turn, one thousand one, one thousand two, one thousand three;
    10 degrees (left or right).











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    Rick, AMEN to Allan's comments. At the risk of dating myself, I learned to
    fly 61 years ago, and my intro to instruments was the old
    "needle/ball/airspeed", with turns based on the magnetic compass! Later we
    were allowed to use the new-fangled gyros and compasses! Learn the "steam
    gages" and you will really appreciate the "good" stuff. But if they fail,
    you have good backup. Lee Robinson W. Palm Beach, FL
    >
    > From: "Allan Palmer" <allan@palmer.net.au>
    > Date: 2006/05/12 Fri PM 05:13:30 EDT
    > To: "Rick" <rick@denverflash.com>,
    > <musketeermail@yahoogroups.com>
    > Subject: RE: [musketeermail] Re: Instrument training
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