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    Insurance checkout in Sierra

    Don:

    Yes, the "standard" policy requirement is that any CFI providing training (especially initial checkout) meets the Open Pilot Warranty (OPW) of the policy, which in turn typically requires 25 hours in make and model.

    Just as a pilot with less time can be added to the policy, so often also can an instructor not meeting the OPW be used for checkout and training. With low-time-in-type pilots the policy premium goes up. With a CFI usually there is no increase in premium, but it is up to the insured (you) to prove that this CFI is qualified to teach what you need to know about the airplane. Approval of this non-OPW CFI by the insurance company will likely be predicated on the following:

    1. The insurance company can provide no referral to a CFI meeting the OPW in your general area (if they can, they'll not likely approve another without the time in type).

    2. Your CFI has substantial time, in this case, in RG airplanes in the same general class (180-200 hp, hydraulic landing gear system, etc.). You'll need to find a specific CFI and submit his/her experience data to the insurance company for approval.

    A CFI with Duchess experience and maybe some Arrow of 172RG time should work fine with most insurance carriers. If approved (give your broker and the underwriter a week or more to get the approval back to you) you'll be issued a new policy APPROVED PILOTS page that states something like:

    "Prior to flight as PIC under this policy Donald XXX must receive and log 25 hours dual flight instruction provided by an FAA certificated flight instructor meeting the OPW, or (CFI's name), an FAA certificated flight instructor who has logged XXX hours dual given to include YYY hours dual given in (aircraft make and model, e.g., Beech Duchess)."

    It's your responsibility to ensure the CFI actually has the expereince he/she claims for the checkout to be considered valid.


    Thomas P. Turner
    FORMER insurance agent and underwriter (not current professional relationship, etc.)
    Mastery Flight Training, Inc.
    www.thomaspturner.com



    Message: 2
    Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 02:36:08 -0000
    From: "donaldmcn" <donald@themcnamaras.net>
    Subject: Insurance checkout for Sierra



    I am in the process of closing a deal on a Sierra C-24-R, and will
    need to ferry the plane from Gulfport, MS (GPT) to Everett, WA (PAE)
    and I am hoping to get the insurance checkout requirements met on
    the trip, but I am having trouble with most of the CFI qualification
    requirements the insurance quotes include.

    Most of the quotes I have received so far, require that the
    instuctor giving the dual instruction during the check-out time to
    meet the policy open pilot warantee, which all seem to include 25
    hrs time in make and model.

    Is this pretty common for all insurance companies? Does the BAC
    group policy have similiar checkout requirements?

    I am having trouble finding a local CFI that can make the trip with
    me, who also meets the open pilot warantee, because they do not have
    any Sierra time.

    Is it possible to get insurance companies to make an exception if
    the CFI has experience in comparable Beech aircraft (such as a
    Dutchess?)

    Thanks, Don





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    Insurance checkout in Sierra

    Don
    My Ins Co (AIG I think) only required 0ne hr with a CFI for the OPW,
    including the CFI that gave me the checkout in my 1963 Muskeeter. Jimmie

    At 01:03 PM 4/18/2005 -0500, atpturner@earthlink.net wrote:
    Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 02:36:08 -0000
    From: "donaldmcn" <donald@themcnamaras.net>
    Subject: Insurance checkout for Sierra

    I am in the process of closing a deal on a Sierra C-24-R, and will
    need to ferry the plane from Gulfport, MS (GPT) to Everett, WA (PAE)
    and I am hoping to get the insurance checkout requirements met on
    the trip, but I am having trouble with most of the CFI qualification
    requirements the insurance quotes include.

    Most of the quotes I have received so far, require that the
    instuctor giving the dual instruction during the check-out time to
    meet the policy open pilot warantee, which all seem to include 25
    hrs time in make and model.

    Is this pretty common for all insurance companies? Does the BAC
    group policy have similiar checkout requirements?

    I am having trouble finding a local CFI that can make the trip with
    me, who also meets the open pilot warantee, because they do not have
    any Sierra time.

    Is it possible to get insurance companies to make an exception if
    the CFI has experience in comparable Beech aircraft (such as a
    Dutchess?)

    Thanks, Don



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    Insurance checkout in Sierra

    Insurance companies get sticky for planes with retractable gear. What
    goes for a Mouse could very easily be a no-go for a Sierra, and they
    usually don't count any other type, even more advanced versions of the
    same airframe (like a Duchess). I am guessing you need an honest to
    goodness Sierra-qualified CFI for a checkout.

    I am certain there are many CFIs in this wide country with plenty of
    Sierra experience who could meet you in MS and fly home from WA
    afterward. I will forward your note to one I know in northern
    California who is not on this list.

    On the other hand, you might be able to convince one of the Sierra
    pilots on this list who is /not/ a CFI to accompany you for
    expenses---they would be the PIC in this case. Any pilot with the
    requisite experience should be easy to add to your policy as a named
    insured, assuming that any non-CFI would not qualify for the warranty.
    At least you could get the plane back home. You would then be stuck
    looking for a CFI who could provide you with 25 hrs, but that should not
    be difficult in the Seattle area. I would volunteer in a minute if I
    only had the time---long x-c in a Sierra is a blast.

    I am guessing it will take three days---a long first day to Kansas or
    Nebraska, up early to get over the Rockies by noon, and another night in
    Idaho before heading home on the third day. If you got up early enough
    the 2nd day you might make it all the way home, but it would be an
    iron-butt ride, and could get bumpy in the Cascades in the afternoon.
    Let me know when you get closer to going---I have flown much of that
    route before and have some ideas for places to stop.


    > My Ins Co (AIG I think) only required 0ne hr with a CFI for the OPW,
    > including the CFI that gave me the checkout in my 1963 Muskeeter. Jimmie
    >


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