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  1. #1

    POWERFLOW SYSTEM FOR OUR MUSKETEERS

    This is to let all Musketeers know that I spoke with Chad of PowerFlow
    Systems Saturday (April 16) at Sun & Fun and we discussed the status of
    the project. Chad & the PowerFlow people have been busy with
    modifications to the present system (they are working on shortening the
    rather long exhaust pipe) and have not had time to begin work on the
    Musketeer STC. The good news is that the project is still on their
    agenda and has two tasks. One will be the O-320 engine (this will
    involve my musketeer), and the other is the O-360 (I don't know whose
    airplane was chosen for this). I will continue to report on this as new
    information reaches me.
    Bill Passinos
    N2327L
    West Palm Beach, Fl
    P.S. Cloyd, I attempted to post this on the BAC site but I was told I'm
    not authorized to post. Can you or Tim or Mike do it ??


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  2. #2

    POWERFLOW SYSTEM FOR OUR MUSKETEERS

    It would be great to get 15-20 HP out of such a
    modifications. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
    BTW. I saw a Cirrus with at least 2 foot long exhaust
    pipes protruding from the engine bay... weird and
    unsightly... So I would applaud modifications to cut
    that pipe to size. Maybe they should extend it
    underneath the belly to aft of the cabin... all the
    engine noise would disappear. Now there is a mod!!
    Delete option " Bose headsets at 4 K dollars per
    aircraft" ....smile...
    Cheers
    HarryR
    Sierra
    --- Bill Passinos <bpassinos@juno.com> wrote:
    >
    > This is to let all Musketeers know that I spoke with
    > Chad of PowerFlow
    > Systems Saturday (April 16) at Sun & Fun and we
    > discussed the status of
    > the project. Chad & the PowerFlow people have been
    > busy with
    > modifications to the present system (they are
    > working on shortening the
    > rather long exhaust pipe) and have not had time to
    > begin work on the
    > Musketeer STC. The good news is that the project is
    > still on their
    > agenda and has two tasks. One will be the O-320
    > engine (this will
    > involve my musketeer), and the other is the O-360 (I
    > don't know whose
    > airplane was chosen for this). I will continue to
    > report on this as new
    > information reaches me.
    > Bill Passinos
    > N2327L
    > West Palm Beach, Fl
    > P.S. Cloyd, I attempted to post this on the BAC
    > site but I was told I'm
    > not authorized to post. Can you or Tim or Mike do
    > it ??
    >
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  3. #3

    RePOWERFLOW SYSTEM FOR OUR MUSKETEERS

    HI all -

    At the powerflow site:

    http://powerflowsystems.com/

    If you click on 'contact info' and then click on 'NEW: contact us for more
    information'

    You can fill in a form that sends a request direct to PowerFlow showing that you
    have one or more of our Beech Aerocenter aircraft and are interested in a
    PowerFlow Exhaust.

    I know that a couple years ago there was a spreadsheet built on MM with people's
    names and planes that were interested that was sent to PowerFlow, but if we all
    sent this info individually thru the 'Info' screen, they might see how really
    interested we actually are!

    I sent my name in; how about you?

    Bill Howard
    BeechSportBill
    N1927W
    1973 Sport 150
    Beech Aero Club NorthWest Region Director
    ---- Msg sent via @bmi.net Mail v4 - http://www.bmi.net


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    POWERFLOW SYSTEM FOR OUR MUSKETEERS

    Bill
    I also spoke with Chad and another gentleman whose name escapes me.
    They had planned on using my Sundowner for the 0-360 certification
    but got busy with the clean up on the other sytems. We will probably
    talk again in a couple of months. I'll update you when I hear more.

    John Amundsen
    C-23
    Winter Haven


    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, Bill Passinos <bpassinos@j...>
    wrote:
    > This is to let all Musketeers know that I spoke with Chad of
    PowerFlow
    > Systems Saturday (April 16) at Sun & Fun and we discussed the
    status of
    > the project. Chad & the PowerFlow people have been busy with
    > modifications to the present system (they are working on shortening
    the
    > rather long exhaust pipe) and have not had time to begin work on the
    > Musketeer STC. The good news is that the project is still on their
    > agenda and has two tasks. One will be the O-320 engine (this will
    > involve my musketeer), and the other is the O-360 (I don't know
    whose
    > airplane was chosen for this). I will continue to report on this
    as new
    > information reaches me.
    > Bill Passinos
    > N2327L
    > West Palm Beach, Fl
    > P.S. Cloyd, I attempted to post this on the BAC site but I was
    told I'm
    > not authorized to post. Can you or Tim or Mike do it ??





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    POWERFLOW SYSTEM FOR OUR MUSKETEERS

    Paul Werbin and I also had long talks with the owner and the business manager. While there was a lot of discussion, I'll try to sum it up as follows:

    They have made progress on a Musketeer-capable O320, but could not flight-test it for several reasons. They believe that the O360 is also do-able, but they do not have the internal resources right now to actively pursue the 19/23 STCs. In their eyes, we cannot offer the potential numbers, even with advance payments, that would warrant diverting their attention away from models that number in the thousands. They do seem to think that they will eventually pursue the Lycoming-equipped carbureted 19s and 23s.

    The Lycoming IO360 200HP engine has presented a problem for PFS. The tuned intake runners are causing the pressure wave (being generated by the tuned exhaust) to occur roughly 180 degrees out of sync with the valve overlap event. This is detracting from the expected HP gains. They suspect that the only real solution will be to design different intake runners for the engine. They don't know what they will run into with the FAA on that aspect. They do want to pursue it, to improve the performance of their Mooney package (and probably an Arrow package). They don't seem to want to produce more systems for this engine without the solution, as the percentage of improvement is smaller than desired (therefore harder to sell). Since this is generally considered to be one of Lycoming's more efficient engines, and since most technical reviews have praised the tuned induction layout that avoids heating the induction air via the oil sump, I suspect that the core issue is that PFS is having trouble coming up with a redesign of their system that would instead optimize the existing induction design. The response to one of my questions was that they would have to make the exhaust design longer in order to match up with the induction. This is consistent with tuning theory for the RPM we use on our engines (rather low), and they probably face difficulties lengthening an already long design.

    Memo to Self: When the current remodeling and home moving experience gets resolved, take the BAC-Rellihan Excel Powerflow Interest List and approach Leading Edge Exhaust. I understand the business and the business-case issues, but I can't seem to get a straight answer from PFS on what would make it worth their while to pursue our planes. Their goal is to identify and try to market to much larger potential markets with their limited in-house engineering expertise (in terms of the man-hours available to them), even if it means delaying a known ready-and-waiting market... and despite the fact that BAC can provide a free advertising venue. They dismiss questions on "how much would it take, and how can we help", and just restate that there is no magic number that would do the trick. I have now been working this angle for four years, so I'm ready to try another supplier. On the other hand, no one else is likely to offer a money-back guarantee like PFS.


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: John Amundsen
    Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 8:46 PM
    Bill
    I also spoke with Chad and another gentleman whose name escapes me.
    They had planned on using my Sundowner for the 0-360 certification
    but got busy with the clean up on the other systems. We will probably
    talk again in a couple of months. I'll update you when I hear more.
    John Amundsen


    Bill Passinos bpassinos@j... wrote:
    This is to let all Musketeers know that I spoke with Chad of PowerFlow Systems Saturday (April 16) at Sun & Fun and we discussed the status of the project. Chad & the PowerFlow people have been busy with modifications to the present system (they are working on shortening the rather long exhaust pipe) and have not had time to begin work on the Musketeer STC. The good news is that the project is still on their agenda and has two tasks. One will be the O-320 engine (this will involve my musketeer), and the other is the O-360 (I don't know whose airplane was chosen for this). I will continue to report on this as new information reaches me.
    Bill Passinos

    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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