>I just brought my new Sierra in for it's first annual a few weeks ago.
>It didn't go very well, especially since my mechanic is telling me that
>we need a new engine. Apparently they found chrome, steel, and all
>sorts of goodies all throughout the engine.
>
>I was wondering if anyone knows of or has any good experience with a
>company that sells the IO-360 engine?

A "new engine" in mechanic-speak usually means an overhaul of the existing
engine. While you can buy a "new" engine, there aren't really a choice of
companies that sell them. Lycoming makes the only certified engine that
will be legal to install on your plane. ECI and Superior are both making
engines and engine kits that are aimed squarely at the homebuilt market,
with a few installations in the certified market. They don't make every
model that Lycoming does (only the fastest moving models, so far) and it
may not be possible to obtain the correct engine from any source but a
Lycoming authorized distributor.

Airpower is one of the largest distributors, and they advertise $300 over
cost on new engines (plus freight and your old engine core).

www.airpower.com

The catch can be that the "core" must be a first run, unassembled engine as
removed from the plane. If yours has had a field OH, it may be unusable as
a core. Lycoming changed its policy on cores a year or two ago, and they
now discount the core if the case has been re-worked (line bored or
welded), and if the crank has been ground undersize, etc. So its possible
to do the deal with Airpower or any of the other Lycoming distributors, and
then find out after the fact that you owe many thousands more to Lycoming
if you case or crank are not up to their trade-in standards. They secure
this money by charging your credit card up front, so you can't possibly
duck the charges if they happen. If the core is OK, they will credit back
the charge. I hear that its not happening very often, lots of cores are
being rejected. That doesn't mean they aren't reusable, just that Lycoming
would not use them in a reman engine. You don't get your crank or case
back, just get told they are not up to their standards, and you own $4500
(each) if they are "bad".

This has had the effect of driving business away from Lycoming, since who
wants to take the chance that your case or crank might not meet their
requirements for a reman, but would still be serviceable in a field OH?

Sounds like you need the services of a premium OH shop in your part of the
country. There are plenty of OHs that are done locally, but what are you
getting? When you sell the plane (and you eventually will), what value
will be assigned to the OH that "Bubba" did in the Tee hangar? If you have
a known shop OH it and they offer a warranty, then you are going to have
something to bargain with. If YOU'VE never heard of the OH shop, chances
are that neither has your buyer.

We're talking SERIOUS money for an IO-360 OH. I'd be very surprised if you
can get a complete OH done for less than $20K installed.

One advantage to a Lycoming reman is you get a new engine logbook with ZERO
HOURS. For all field OHs (and for a Lycoming OH, which is less than a
reman in dollars and in new parts count) you keep the existing times and
history and the plane will have 2000 TT, 0 SMOH in the logs.

Bob Steward, A&P IA
Birmingham, AL



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