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    CFI Unusual Attitudes

    Went to Maui on a job assignment and thought it would be a good idea
    to have an aerial view of the property. Enlisted a CFI to go up
    with me.

    I was five minutes late. When I arrived at the facility, he came
    running out to the fence to meet me, did not say hello, said he pre
    flighted the plane and let's go. No time to go over the particular
    aspects of the plane. When questioned about the rotation speed he
    said "whatever". Altimeter was 200 feet off, hurried me, no time to
    familiarize myself with the non standard panel. He contacted the
    clearance delivery and just said we have " weather". Took the plane
    back from me most of the time. At times it was needed due to the
    wind conditions.

    Once the flight was finished, I asked him to sign my log as flight
    training time since about 1 hour was provided involving mountain
    flying conditions and recognition of similar environmental
    conditions. Some of the things were very helpful. He said we did
    not fly all that much and to just sign it myself. This pissed me
    off since I paid him nearly $300 for all of the services.

    Everything else about Maui was great including the people, except
    for him.








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    CFI Unusual Attitudes

    >Enlisted a CFI to go up
    > with me.

    I would have checked his credentials.


    > I was five minutes late. When I arrived at the facility, he came
    > running out to the fence to meet me, did not say hello, said he
    pre
    > flighted the plane and let's go. No time to go over the
    particular
    > aspects of the plane.

    This would have been a major warning sign for me.

    >When questioned about the rotation speed he
    > said "whatever".

    Another warning sign

    > Altimeter was 200 feet off, hurried me, no time to
    > familiarize myself with the non standard panel. He contacted the
    > clearance delivery and just said we have " weather". Took the
    plane
    > back from me most of the time. At times it was needed due to the
    > wind conditions.

    Something that would have been minimized had a proper pre-flight
    (including wx check) been completed.

    > Once the flight was finished, I asked him to sign my log as flight
    > training time since about 1 hour was provided involving mountain
    > flying conditions and recognition of similar environmental
    > conditions. Some of the things were very helpful. He said we did
    > not fly all that much and to just sign it myself.

    Major problem! If he doesn't want to write down that he provided
    dual, what is he hiding?

    >This pissed me
    > off since I paid him nearly $300 for all of the services.

    I would not have paid until he signed the log. What service did he
    provide? What proof do you have?


    > Everything else about Maui was great including the people, except
    > for him.

    At least it wasn't a total loss.

    Ray






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    Stop

    I guess my question is why didn't you simply put a stop to it? There comes a point in training where you have to recognize safe operations, and that point should arrive sometime ahead of the PPL. I will acknowledge that disagreeing with a CFI is difficult when you think you know little, it should and does come easier as your experience grows.

    Since he indicated you should sign your logbook yourself, I'm assuming you were PIC, properly rated and current. As PIC you identified numerous areas of concern prior to even leaving the ground. Several before the aircraft was even running.

    The CFI was clearly out of line. While you may not have received much wind or mountain experience from the flight, you should examine your own contribution to the problems encountered on this flight and learn from it.

    Dan Jonas
    Napa Valley

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    CFI Unusual Attitudes

    For whatever it is worth the FARs require a CFI to
    sign a logbook for instruction. If he didn't feel that
    he gave instruction he doesn't have to sign the
    logbook, but you shouldn't pay for instruction that
    you didn't get. And if it wasn't an instructional
    flight what was it? Photo flight by him? air tour
    without proper certification of the operation? I would
    call the owner of the facility and discuss it while
    protesting the CFI fee.

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