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  1. #1

    Ball Park Question - Musketeer or Sundowner

    I would avoid the Continental at all costs. The Sundowner is my choice,
    repairs are going to happen, much easier if you can find parts

    Braden

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    > From: jm8995 <jm8995@yahoo.com>
    > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:39:24 -0000
    > To: <musketeermail@yahoogroups.com>
    > Subject: [musketeermail] Ball Park Question - Musketeer or Sundowner
    >
    >
    >
    > I have two purchase options available.
    >
    > A 1972 C-23 4415 TT 200SMOH (Field) or a 1965 Musketeer 100SMOH
    > (Field) 4500TT with Continental.
    >
    > Both about the same price give or take. The Musketeer is in better
    > physical condition, paint interior and otherwise.
    >
    > Avionics are about the same for both. Useful loads are about the same.
    >
    > Musketeer is certainly superior with regard to appearance and
    > interior. But I am worried about the Continental nightmare. C-23 has
    > the 180HP and true four place capabilities. However, the pre buy
    > turned up many things such as in-op fuel gauges, a defective aeleron
    > rod, leaking master cylinder. They would of course be fixed, but it
    > may be an indication that things will always go wrong on the plane.
    >
    > I know that you can not apply generalities to individual situations or
    > planes, just looking for off the cuff first impressions. I do not
    > want to give tail numbers or locations due to the negotiation process.
    >
    > I do not fly IFR, am not a cowboy with my flying, do not need speed.
    > Just more room and a little more kick into the air on those hazy days.
    > TT of flying experience is about 300hrs.
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  2. #2

    Ball Park Question - Musketeer or Sundowner

    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "jm8995" <jm8995@y...> wrote:
    >
    > I have two purchase options available.
    >
    > A 1972 C-23 4415 TT 200SMOH (Field) or a 1965 Musketeer 100SMOH
    > (Field) 4500TT with Continental.
    >
    > Both about the same price give or take. The Musketeer is in better
    > physical condition, paint interior and otherwise.
    >
    > Avionics are about the same for both. Useful loads are about the
    same.
    >
    > Musketeer is certainly superior with regard to appearance and
    > interior. But I am worried about the Continental nightmare. C-23
    has
    > the 180HP and true four place capabilities. However, the pre buy
    > turned up many things such as in-op fuel gauges, a defective
    aeleron
    > rod, leaking master cylinder. They would of course be fixed, but
    it
    > may be an indication that things will always go wrong on the plane.
    >
    > I know that you can not apply generalities to individual situations
    or
    > planes, just looking for off the cuff first impressions. I do not
    > want to give tail numbers or locations due to the negotiation
    process.
    >
    > I do not fly IFR, am not a cowboy with my flying, do not need
    speed.
    > Just more room and a little more kick into the air on those hazy
    days.
    > TT of flying experience is about 300hrs.

    ================================================== ===================

    Jim - Here's my 2 cents worth, I'd say go for the Sundowner.
    If the pre-buy turned up only the fuel gauge problem, aileron rod and
    leaky master cylinders then you really don't have much of a problem.
    Master cylinders are easy to fix. Aileron rods are no problem, I
    can't imagine the entire rod is bad; it might be the rod end. If you
    are going to take the aileron off, I'd change the bushings as well.
    Fuel gauges hardly ever go bad. It's probably a wiring issue or the
    fuel transmitter needs an overhaul. All parts are readily available.
    Most importantly, go with what you like.

    Sincerely,
    Oz Iftikhar
    1982 Sundowner
    Southeast Regional Director
    Beech Aero Club
    www.beechaeroclub.org






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  3. #3

    Ball Park Question - Musketeer or Sundowner

    I have to agree with Oz. I've had musketeer and
    sundowner. Go with the sundowner. 2000 of the best
    flying hrs I ever had was in the sundowner.

    Dan Kirby, Sierra N9299S
    --- sundowner1982 <o_iftikhar@bellsouth.net> wrote:
    >
    >
    > --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "jm8995"
    > <jm8995@y...> wrote:
    > >
    > > I have two purchase options available.
    > >
    > > A 1972 C-23 4415 TT 200SMOH (Field) or a 1965
    > Musketeer 100SMOH
    > > (Field) 4500TT with Continental.
    > >
    > > Both about the same price give or take. The
    > Musketeer is in better
    > > physical condition, paint interior and otherwise.
    >
    > >
    > > Avionics are about the same for both. Useful
    > loads are about the
    > same.
    > >
    > > Musketeer is certainly superior with regard to
    > appearance and
    > > interior. But I am worried about the Continental
    > nightmare. C-23
    > has
    > > the 180HP and true four place capabilities.
    > However, the pre buy
    > > turned up many things such as in-op fuel gauges, a
    > defective
    > aeleron
    > > rod, leaking master cylinder. They would of
    > course be fixed, but
    > it
    > > may be an indication that things will always go
    > wrong on the plane.
    > >
    > > I know that you can not apply generalities to
    > individual situations
    > or
    > > planes, just looking for off the cuff first
    > impressions. I do not
    > > want to give tail numbers or locations due to the
    > negotiation
    > process.
    > >
    > > I do not fly IFR, am not a cowboy with my flying,
    > do not need
    > speed.
    > > Just more room and a little more kick into the air
    > on those hazy
    > days.
    > > TT of flying experience is about 300hrs.
    >
    >
    ================================================== ===================
    >
    > Jim - Here's my 2 cents worth, I'd say go for the
    > Sundowner.
    > If the pre-buy turned up only the fuel gauge
    > problem, aileron rod and
    > leaky master cylinders then you really don't have
    > much of a problem.
    > Master cylinders are easy to fix. Aileron rods are
    > no problem, I
    > can't imagine the entire rod is bad; it might be the
    > rod end. If you
    > are going to take the aileron off, I'd change the
    > bushings as well.
    > Fuel gauges hardly ever go bad. It's probably a
    > wiring issue or the
    > fuel transmitter needs an overhaul. All parts are
    > readily available.
    > Most importantly, go with what you like.
    >
    > Sincerely,
    > Oz Iftikhar
    > 1982 Sundowner
    > Southeast Regional Director
    > Beech Aero Club
    > www.beechaeroclub.org
    >
    >
    >
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  4. #4

    Ball Park Question - Musketeer or Sundowner

    Musky must be in way better overall shape than the 'Downer to be
    simillarly priced. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a good IO-346 & don't
    consider it a nightamare at all, outside of new hard parts being N/A.
    Many are not affected.

    One List member owned & flew one happily for ~ 25 years with nothing
    but raves & another memeber I believe is at ~ 35 years of ownership.

    Only downer on a A23 for me is given a choice today, would much
    prefer a 2 door entry model.

    Many times, the Continental nightmare reputation, can turn into
    getting way more bang for the buck, than a simillar Lyc model as they
    can be harder ro sell.

    I don't think there is much differece in terms of "true four place
    capabilities" between the 2. Musky may actually be better (not sure)
    as the Sundowner line has a higher E/W than early mice.

    Jon 63 Lyc

    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "jm8995" <jm8995@y...> wrote:
    >
    > I have two purchase options available.
    >
    > A 1972 C-23 4415 TT 200SMOH (Field) or a 1965 Musketeer 100SMOH
    > (Field) 4500TT with Continental.
    >
    > Both about the same price give or take. The Musketeer is in better
    > physical condition, paint interior and otherwise.
    >
    > Avionics are about the same for both. Useful loads are about the same.
    >
    > Musketeer is certainly superior with regard to appearance and
    > interior. But I am worried about the Continental nightmare. C-23 has
    > the 180HP and true four place capabilities. However, the pre buy
    > turned up many things such as in-op fuel gauges, a defective aeleron
    > rod, leaking master cylinder. They would of course be fixed, but it
    > may be an indication that things will always go wrong on the plane.
    >
    > I know that you can not apply generalities to individual situations or
    > planes, just looking for off the cuff first impressions. I do not
    > want to give tail numbers or locations due to the negotiation process.
    >
    > I do not fly IFR, am not a cowboy with my flying, do not need speed.
    > Just more room and a little more kick into the air on those hazy days.
    > TT of flying experience is about 300hrs.





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  5. #5

    Ball Park Question - Musketeer or Sundowner

    Can't help but think about asking the wife to get out
    on a cold night, so you can pump fuel. Bad enough she
    tells you to shut the door because she's getting cold.

    Dan, Sierra N9299S
    --- jon simik <bigbajon@aol.com> wrote:
    >
    > Musky must be in way better overall shape than the
    > 'Downer to be
    > simillarly priced. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a good
    > IO-346 & don't
    > consider it a nightamare at all, outside of new hard
    > parts being N/A.
    > Many are not affected.
    >
    > One List member owned & flew one happily for ~ 25
    > years with nothing
    > but raves & another memeber I believe is at ~ 35
    > years of ownership.
    >
    > Only downer on a A23 for me is given a choice
    > today, would much
    > prefer a 2 door entry model.
    >
    > Many times, the Continental nightmare reputation,
    > can turn into
    > getting way more bang for the buck, than a simillar
    > Lyc model as they
    > can be harder ro sell.
    >
    > I don't think there is much differece in terms of
    > "true four place
    > capabilities" between the 2. Musky may actually be
    > better (not sure)
    > as the Sundowner line has a higher E/W than early
    > mice.
    >
    > Jon 63 Lyc
    >
    > --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "jm8995"
    > <jm8995@y...> wrote:
    > >
    > > I have two purchase options available.
    > >
    > > A 1972 C-23 4415 TT 200SMOH (Field) or a 1965
    > Musketeer 100SMOH
    > > (Field) 4500TT with Continental.
    > >
    > > Both about the same price give or take. The
    > Musketeer is in better
    > > physical condition, paint interior and otherwise.
    >
    > >
    > > Avionics are about the same for both. Useful
    > loads are about the same.
    > >
    > > Musketeer is certainly superior with regard to
    > appearance and
    > > interior. But I am worried about the Continental
    > nightmare. C-23 has
    > > the 180HP and true four place capabilities.
    > However, the pre buy
    > > turned up many things such as in-op fuel gauges, a
    > defective aeleron
    > > rod, leaking master cylinder. They would of
    > course be fixed, but it
    > > may be an indication that things will always go
    > wrong on the plane.
    > >
    > > I know that you can not apply generalities to
    > individual situations or
    > > planes, just looking for off the cuff first
    > impressions. I do not
    > > want to give tail numbers or locations due to the
    > negotiation process.
    > >
    > > I do not fly IFR, am not a cowboy with my flying,
    > do not need speed.
    > > Just more room and a little more kick into the air
    > on those hazy days.
    > > TT of flying experience is about 300hrs.
    >
    >
    >
    >
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