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  1. #1

    Fuel thefts

    For well over twenty years I have parked my Mouse in an open hangar without
    any problems. The last few months a lot my fuel has been stolen. The
    airport is in a small town and rural area with only a couple of resident
    aircraft including mine.

    Since it is about 60 miles to the nearest fuel supplier it has become a
    major headache to carry fuel to her. If it continues it looks like I will
    be forced to sell the plane. They got my ELT last time too. I'm even
    afraid to get new radios now.

    Anyone have any ideas?

    Sandy



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  2. #2

    "Walk Softly ... Carry BIG Stick"

    Sandy - Is there electricity in the open hanger? If so, I would approach the other aircraft owners and person of authority and install a motion detector flood light. Then I would install a discrete video camera with time lapse, hidden out of sight without telling anyone else. They are now very small and inexpensive. Mabe you would be surprised at what you find.

    Good luck,

    Digger
    Sundowner N6681X

  3. #3

    Fuel thefts

    Sandy, the very first thing I would do is to verify whether the proper signage has been placed around the field. Tampering with an aircraft is a Federal offense that carries heavy penalties. If the signage has been placed and the local police (and any neighbors) have been made aware of the significance, it might help lead to some tips and arrests. Some of the increased emphasis is due to the Homeland Security issues surrounding small fields and light aircraft.

    I am assuming that you do not have the option of building or occupying a light hangar? Last year I had to spend $4,000 to enclose my section of a row-type shade hangar, and install a 3-panel hanging sliding door. Our local county airport is also in a rural area, with minimal staffing and no significant surveillance. We have just been fortunate that we haven't experienced any larceny yet. I suppose your ELT was taken by removal of the aft side access panels. Were the panels just left off, or were they reinstalled? Would it have been (or still be) worthwhile to have the local police check them and/or the fuel caps for fingerprints, in case this was done by local riffraff with a record? As I said, this is a Federal offense, and perhaps the local police would be willing to help a bit more if they thought it might help them get some pain in their side off the street for a while.

    Early this year I began negotiations with a company to determine interest in producing locking fuel caps for our planes. All my note history is on my FL computer and I'm up in SC. As soon as I can get my FL workstation moved up here, I'll resurrect the project.

    Does anyone know of any security electronics that could be placed over the caps, or inside the cabin and wired to the caps, that would auto-dial the owner or police if the caps are disturbed?

    It might also prove worthwhile to contact AOPA and request their advice.


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Sandy floe
    To: Musketeermail@Yahoogroups. Com
    Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 6:47 PM
    Subject: [musketeermail] Fuel thefts


    For well over twenty years I have parked my Mouse in an open hangar without
    any problems. The last few months a lot my fuel has been stolen. The
    airport is in a small town and rural area with only a couple of resident
    aircraft including mine.

    Since it is about 60 miles to the nearest fuel supplier it has become a
    major headache to carry fuel to her. If it continues it looks like I will
    be forced to sell the plane. They got my ELT last time too. I'm even
    afraid to get new radios now.

    Anyone have any ideas?

    Sandy

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  4. #4

    Fuel thefts

    Sorry to hear about your theft problem. They shoot horse thieves,
    right?
    Seriously, thieves look for the easy quick route with least risk of
    being seen. It's nearly impossible to make sump drains impossible
    to steal from, but if you have the "T" type, switching to the flush
    type might move them to a different plane. While it may mean
    leaving the weather protection of a hangar, another possibility is
    to move the airplane next to an office or road where people go by?
    If not, is there a way to install a motion detector and camera in
    the eaves of the hangar? At one of the shows, I remember somebody
    (probably a cover manufacturer) talking about how avionics thieves
    avoid the planes with cockpit covers, where they can't see the
    avionics and have to conspicuously remove the cover to get to them.
    Bob
    A&P, Aero Eng.
    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy floe" <steamer@m...>
    wrote:
    > For well over twenty years I have parked my Mouse in an open
    hangar without
    > any problems. The last few months a lot my fuel has been stolen.
    The
    > airport is in a small town and rural area with only a couple of
    resident
    > aircraft including mine.
    >
    > Since it is about 60 miles to the nearest fuel supplier it has
    become a
    > major headache to carry fuel to her. If it continues it looks
    like I will
    > be forced to sell the plane. They got my ELT last time too. I'm
    even
    > afraid to get new radios now.
    >
    > Anyone have any ideas?
    >
    > Sandy





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  5. #5

    Fuel thefts

    Bob, what about installing an alarm that WILL go off
    blaringly loud when the a/c gets touched ( vibration /
    movement)?? Or a sharp shooter.. or maybe a temporary
    video recorder....
    Good luck
    --- Bob Swaim <dswaim1119@comcast.net> wrote:
    > Sorry to hear about your theft problem. They shoot
    > horse thieves,
    > right?
    > Seriously, thieves look for the easy quick route
    > with least risk of
    > being seen. It's nearly impossible to make sump
    > drains impossible
    > to steal from, but if you have the "T" type,
    > switching to the flush
    > type might move them to a different plane. While it
    > may mean
    > leaving the weather protection of a hangar, another
    > possibility is
    > to move the airplane next to an office or road where
    > people go by?
    > If not, is there a way to install a motion detector
    > and camera in
    > the eaves of the hangar? At one of the shows, I
    > remember somebody
    > (probably a cover manufacturer) talking about how
    > avionics thieves
    > avoid the planes with cockpit covers, where they
    > can't see the
    > avionics and have to conspicuously remove the cover
    > to get to them.
    > Bob
    > A&P, Aero Eng.
    > --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy floe"
    > <steamer@m...>
    > wrote:
    > > For well over twenty years I have parked my Mouse
    > in an open
    > hangar without
    > > any problems. The last few months a lot my fuel
    > has been stolen.
    > The
    > > airport is in a small town and rural area with
    > only a couple of
    > resident
    > > aircraft including mine.
    > >
    > > Since it is about 60 miles to the nearest fuel
    > supplier it has
    > become a
    > > major headache to carry fuel to her. If it
    > continues it looks
    > like I will
    > > be forced to sell the plane. They got my ELT last
    > time too. I'm
    > even
    > > afraid to get new radios now.
    > >
    > > Anyone have any ideas?
    > >
    > > Sandy
    >
    >
    >
    >

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  6. #6

    Fuel thefts

    One of the guys at our field rented a camera, motion detector, and recorder from an alarm company. I am not sure that he was having problems, but that along with one of the signs that state that it is a Federal Offense to tamper with a airplane seemed to solve whatever problem he might by having. He stated that he informed the local police (along with a copy of the law) The camera comes and goes I understand and it seems that a lot of people know about it. Maybe an avenue to explore??


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  7. #7

    Fuel thefts

    Hello,

    There are now a very good set of Internet based cameras that include a
    motion detector. These are self contained units that are connected to a
    broad band connection and you can view them from your desk top computer
    anywhere in the world. Further, it can be set up to copy any of the video
    and audio feeds each time the motion detector senses movement. They have
    normal light and low/no light cameras too.

    It would be simple to set up one of these units to view your birds.

    Scott Flood
    N6146N




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  8. #8

    Fuel thefts

    "connected to a broad band connection" would be the key phrase there.
    Without a phone line at the location, how would you connect?

    -Rick


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Scott W. Flood" <sflood@iballot.com>
    To: "ron mattson" <rmattson@flash.net>; "Harry Roussard"
    <hroussar@yahoo.com>; "Bob Swaim" <dswaim1119@comcast.net>;
    <musketeermail@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:42 PM
    Subject: RE: [musketeermail] Re: Fuel thefts


    > Hello,
    >
    > There are now a very good set of Internet based cameras that include a
    > motion detector. These are self contained units that are connected to a
    > broad band connection and you can view them from your desk top computer
    > anywhere in the world. Further, it can be set up to copy any of the video
    > and audio feeds each time the motion detector senses movement. They have
    > normal light and low/no light cameras too.
    >
    > It would be simple to set up one of these units to view your birds.
    >
    > Scott Flood
    > N6146N
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Join BAC today and be a part of the ONLY Type Club for the Musketeer
    > series!
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    >
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    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >



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  9. #9

    Fuel thefts

    Hi there,

    You can bring in a cable connection or a DSL line, connect a modem to it and
    then plug in the camera. You need power too.

    Scott

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    [mailto:musketeermail@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick
    Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 11:58 PM
    To: SFlood@iballot.com; musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [musketeermail] Re: Fuel thefts


    "connected to a broad band connection" would be the key phrase there.
    Without a phone line at the location, how would you connect?

    -Rick


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Scott W. Flood" <sflood@iballot.com>
    To: "ron mattson" <rmattson@flash.net>; "Harry Roussard"
    <hroussar@yahoo.com>; "Bob Swaim" <dswaim1119@comcast.net>;
    <musketeermail@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:42 PM
    Subject: RE: [musketeermail] Re: Fuel thefts


    > Hello,
    >
    > There are now a very good set of Internet based cameras that include a
    > motion detector. These are self contained units that are connected to a
    > broad band connection and you can view them from your desk top computer
    > anywhere in the world. Further, it can be set up to copy any of the video
    > and audio feeds each time the motion detector senses movement. They have
    > normal light and low/no light cameras too.
    >
    > It would be simple to set up one of these units to view your birds.
    >
    > Scott Flood
    > N6146N
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Join BAC today and be a part of the ONLY Type Club for the Musketeer
    > series!
    >
    > www.beechaeroclub.org
    >
    >
    > Yahoo! Groups Links
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >




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  10. #10

    Fuel thefts

    Back when fuel was cheap, and radios weren't, I had
    the radios stolen out of a musketeer. They then
    installed them in a mooney tied down next to mine, and
    took his. They were a year turning up when my neighbor
    took his mooney to the radio shop. They left the door
    open on my mouse and the wind tore it up pretty good.
    I think a good cover would have sent them to other
    planes.

    Dan Kirby, Sierra N9299S
    --- Bob Swaim <dswaim1119@comcast.net> wrote:
    > Sorry to hear about your theft problem. They shoot
    > horse thieves,
    > right?
    > Seriously, thieves look for the easy quick route
    > with least risk of
    > being seen. It's nearly impossible to make sump
    > drains impossible
    > to steal from, but if you have the "T" type,
    > switching to the flush
    > type might move them to a different plane. While it
    > may mean
    > leaving the weather protection of a hangar, another
    > possibility is
    > to move the airplane next to an office or road where
    > people go by?
    > If not, is there a way to install a motion detector
    > and camera in
    > the eaves of the hangar? At one of the shows, I
    > remember somebody
    > (probably a cover manufacturer) talking about how
    > avionics thieves
    > avoid the planes with cockpit covers, where they
    > can't see the
    > avionics and have to conspicuously remove the cover
    > to get to them.
    > Bob
    > A&P, Aero Eng.
    > --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy floe"
    > <steamer@m...>
    > wrote:
    > > For well over twenty years I have parked my Mouse
    > in an open
    > hangar without
    > > any problems. The last few months a lot my fuel
    > has been stolen.
    > The
    > > airport is in a small town and rural area with
    > only a couple of
    > resident
    > > aircraft including mine.
    > >
    > > Since it is about 60 miles to the nearest fuel
    > supplier it has
    > become a
    > > major headache to carry fuel to her. If it
    > continues it looks
    > like I will
    > > be forced to sell the plane. They got my ELT last
    > time too. I'm
    > even
    > > afraid to get new radios now.
    > >
    > > Anyone have any ideas?
    > >
    > > Sandy
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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