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  1. #1

    Looking at a Musketeer, have questions.

    To add a bit, have a similar deal. Asked about damage on purchase &
    was told nope. Fella didn't consider, or didn't know or worse, (it was
    in the logs & I didn't know better) that nose was crunched..way back
    with FF repairs including a new or used engine mount. Bird was flow
    many years & hours afterwards (decades) wihtout (other than normal
    wear & tear) problems & is still intact today. Also, logs went missing
    shortly after the nose cruch (forget) somewhere ~ the 70s.

    Jon 63

    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, stephen coffey <i_a_v_8@y...> wrote:
    > Along this line, he's probably right since I'm looking
    > to fly the spinner off the thing anyhow.
    >
    > Does anyone know a good A&P in Gastonia / Charlotte NC
    > area?
    >
    > Thanks again. These lists are great!
    >
    >
    > --- James Bruce <j_w_bruce@y...> wrote:
    > > Boy oh boy, I wouldn't let a crash in 1969 keep me
    > > from buying it. Find you a mechanic that you trust,
    > > then go do the prebuy. Obviously it has seen many
    > > good hours since 1969. You have all logs 1970
    > > forward, and you know about the damage history.
    > > Offer
    > > 20 or 21 if you feel that you must, but even at 23,
    > > sounds like a good deal to me.
    > >
    > > Jay
    > > --- stephen coffey <i_a_v_8@y...> wrote:
    > >
    > > > Hi to all, and thank you very much for the
    > > > responses.
    > > >
    > > > Won't be buying the airplane, guy wants about $23k
    > > > for
    > > > it. Not bad, even with bad paint, bad interior,
    > > and
    > > > 1300 hours on the engine.
    > > >
    > > > Problem is, crashed in 1969, both wings replaced.
    > > > NTSB says someone's momentary lapse of reason
    > > caused
    > > > him to try to takeoff from a grass strip with
    > > 10-12
    > > > inches of grass on it! (Gotta wonder how much
    > > grass
    > > > was in the pilot's lungs, too) EVEN AT THAT, if
    > > the
    > > > repair was done well it might have still been
    > > > reasonable, but alas, no logs pre 1970!
    > > >
    > > > Thanks again, folks. Still looking, and you may
    > > > hear
    > > > from me again.
    > > >
    > > > Stephen.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > --- cloydvanhook <cloydvanhook@i...> wrote:
    > > > > Send me your e-mail address and I'll send the
    > > data
    > > > > as an attachment.
    > > > >
    > > > > Can't get your e-mail address off this post.
    > > > >
    > > > > Cloyd
    > > > > --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "i_a_v_8"
    > > > > <i_a_v_8@y...> wrote:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Hi, I'm looking at a '63 Musketeer, 160 hp. I
    > > > > have a number of
    > > > > > questions, some of which may be ridiculous.
    > > My
    > > > > experience thus
    > > > > far is
    > > > > > Cessna, M20B, and Ercoupe, so please do
    > > forgive
    > > > > me.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > What / where can I find an AD list for this
    > > > > airplane?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > What / where can I find a list of any mods
    > > > > available / engine STC,
    > > > > etc.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > What is a 63 "good condition" (7 in and out)
    > > > > 2800TTAF / 1200 SMOH
    > > > > > generally worth, with basic avionics? I know,
    > > > > there is a lot of
    > > > > > discretion here.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > What is the typically reported cruise and
    > > climb
    > > > > performance?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Anything I should be aware of in prepurchase,
    > > > etc.
    > > > > that is type
    > > > > specific?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Thanks in advance, folks!
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Stephen.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
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    Looking at a Musketeer, have questions.

    Jon,
    We had our prebuy done by Obi at Linconlton. You tell him what you
    want checked and he does it and prices accordingly.

    We had the owner fly our bird from his place (Greenville SC) to
    Lincolnton. We met him there. We had a written contract that we would buy
    the plane on the spot (bank checks) pending the prebuy inspection. (I can
    provide agreement if you want).

    Obi did the list I created from people on MM at the time.

    We closed the deal there and my partner and the owner flew back to
    Greenville and my partner flew plane back to our airport (Wilgrove).
    I activated insurance from the office of OBI after closing the deal with
    a telephone call to AOPA INS.


    Now, lately, all my work has been done by Dave Kuc at Wilgrove. He has been
    working on 5 different Musketters now (2 Sundowners that I know of). He and
    his IA are very thorough and cheap. My annual started Jan 4 but he found
    some corrosion up front behind some insulation that others did not and
    HOPEFULLY will have it fully repaied NEXT WEEK. (so he's slow on big jobs).

    S0.. take your pick... If you want to see our bird, give me a call or just
    stop over to Wilgrove.

    BILL
    N9230S
    76 Sundowner

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    To add a bit, have a similar deal. Asked about damage on purchase &
    was told nope. Fella didn't consider, or didn't know or worse, (it was
    in the logs & I didn't know better) that nose was crunched..way back
    with FF repairs including a new or used engine mount. Bird was flow
    many years & hours afterwards (decades) wihtout (other than normal
    wear & tear) problems & is still intact today. Also, logs went missing
    shortly after the nose cruch (forget) somewhere ~ the 70s.

    Jon 63

    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, stephen coffey <i_a_v_8@y...> wrote:
    > Along this line, he's probably right since I'm looking
    > to fly the spinner off the thing anyhow.
    >
    > Does anyone know a good A&P in Gastonia / Charlotte NC
    > area?
    >
    > Thanks again. These lists are great!
    >
    >
    > --- James Bruce <j_w_bruce@y...> wrote:
    > > Boy oh boy, I wouldn't let a crash in 1969 keep me
    > > from buying it. Find you a mechanic that you trust,
    > > then go do the prebuy. Obviously it has seen many
    > > good hours since 1969. You have all logs 1970
    > > forward, and you know about the damage history.
    > > Offer
    > > 20 or 21 if you feel that you must, but even at 23,
    > > sounds like a good deal to me.
    > >
    > > Jay
    > > --- stephen coffey <i_a_v_8@y...> wrote:
    > >
    > > > Hi to all, and thank you very much for the
    > > > responses.
    > > >
    > > > Won't be buying the airplane, guy wants about $23k
    > > > for
    > > > it. Not bad, even with bad paint, bad interior,
    > > and
    > > > 1300 hours on the engine.
    > > >
    > > > Problem is, crashed in 1969, both wings replaced.
    > > > NTSB says someone's momentary lapse of reason
    > > caused
    > > > him to try to takeoff from a grass strip with
    > > 10-12
    > > > inches of grass on it! (Gotta wonder how much
    > > grass
    > > > was in the pilot's lungs, too) EVEN AT THAT, if
    > > the
    > > > repair was done well it might have still been
    > > > reasonable, but alas, no logs pre 1970!
    > > >
    > > > Thanks again, folks. Still looking, and you may
    > > > hear
    > > > from me again.
    > > >
    > > > Stephen.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > --- cloydvanhook <cloydvanhook@i...> wrote:
    > > > > Send me your e-mail address and I'll send the
    > > data
    > > > > as an attachment.
    > > > >
    > > > > Can't get your e-mail address off this post.
    > > > >
    > > > > Cloyd
    > > > > --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "i_a_v_8"
    > > > > <i_a_v_8@y...> wrote:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Hi, I'm looking at a '63 Musketeer, 160 hp. I
    > > > > have a number of
    > > > > > questions, some of which may be ridiculous.
    > > My
    > > > > experience thus
    > > > > far is
    > > > > > Cessna, M20B, and Ercoupe, so please do
    > > forgive
    > > > > me.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > What / where can I find an AD list for this
    > > > > airplane?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > What / where can I find a list of any mods
    > > > > available / engine STC,
    > > > > etc.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > What is a 63 "good condition" (7 in and out)
    > > > > 2800TTAF / 1200 SMOH
    > > > > > generally worth, with basic avionics? I know,
    > > > > there is a lot of
    > > > > > discretion here.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > What is the typically reported cruise and
    > > climb
    > > > > performance?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Anything I should be aware of in prepurchase,
    > > > etc.
    > > > > that is type
    > > > > specific?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Thanks in advance, folks!
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Stephen.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    > > __________________________________________________
    > > Do You Yahoo!?
    > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
    > > protection around
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