Bob Steward on-the-ropes!

[corcoran]

It has happened! I think I have found Bob Steward in ERROR. Give me 20 Brownie Points!

I said: Sundowners are bigger than Musketeers. Bob said they are the same.

My slab sided Musketeer was/is/will always be narrower than my round sided Sundowner.
The Sundowner has two doors. A second door was an option on Musketeers.

All those who think I (Tom Corcoran) is right send me a dollar.
All those who think Bob Steward is right, send Tom Corcoran a dollar.

Tom Corcoran
Next - I'll take on OZ "Skygod"

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Steward <n76lima@mindspring.com>
To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 02 May 2005 15:48:32 -0500
Subject: Re: [musketeermail] Sundowner vs Archer



>I have about 3,000 hours logged. Many in Archers. Most in
>Musketeer/Sundowners. (Sundowners are bigger than Musketeers and have two
>doors.)

I think Tom meant to say that Sundowners are bigger than ARCHERS, and
Sundowners have 2 doors.

This may be the reason that some have posted follow on messages about
Musketeers having 2 doors available, etc.

We all know that the Musketeer and the Sundowner are substantially similar
in airframe parts, and aside from the engine differences of O-320 to O-360
and possibly a 3rd window on the side and a baggage door, the airframes are
essentially the same.

Bob Steward, A&P IA
Birmingham, AL





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[Rellihan]

I can't say this with absolute authority, but my understanding from available reference material is that the 19s and 23s had an interior cabin front seat width of 39.5" at the lower window molding. In 1970 this was increased to 44" on the 19/23/24, basically in both front and back, by bowing out the cabin above the door sill level.

All the Bonanzas and Barons have a cabin width of 42", though they differ in length by model. The Cherokee/PA28 line is generally reported to have a cabin width of 42". I have never measured one, but it sure seems tighter than a Bonanza when I am sitting in a Cherokee or Warrior.

----- Original Message -----
From: mediareps@aol.com
To: n76lima@mindspring.com ; musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 8:10 PM
Subject: [musketeermail] Bob Steward on-the-ropes!


It has happened! I think I have found Bob Steward in ERROR. Give me 20 Brownie Points!

I said: Sundowners are bigger than Musketeers. Bob said they are the same.

My slab sided Musketeer was/is/will always be narrower than my round sided Sundowner.
The Sundowner has two doors. A second door was an option on Musketeers.

All those who think I (Tom Corcoran) is right send me a dollar.
All those who think Bob Steward is right, send Tom Corcoran a dollar.

Tom Corcoran
Next - I'll take on OZ "Skygod"

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Steward <n76lima@mindspring.com>
To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 02 May 2005 15:48:32 -0500
Subject: Re: [musketeermail] Sundowner vs Archer



>I have about 3,000 hours logged. Many in Archers. Most in
>Musketeer/Sundowners. (Sundowners are bigger than Musketeers and have two
>doors.)

I think Tom meant to say that Sundowners are bigger than ARCHERS, and
Sundowners have 2 doors.

This may be the reason that some have posted follow on messages about
Musketeers having 2 doors available, etc.

We all know that the Musketeer and the Sundowner are substantially similar
in airframe parts, and aside from the engine differences of O-320 to O-360
and possibly a 3rd window on the side and a baggage door, the airframes are
essentially the same.

Bob Steward, A&P IA
Birmingham, AL

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[jefro]

> All the Bonanzas and Barons have a cabin width of 42", though they
> differ in length by model. The Cherokee/PA28 line is generally
> reported to have a cabin width of 42". I have never measured one, but
> it sure seems tighter than a Bonanza when I am sitting in a Cherokee
> or Warrior.


I believe the big difference in the PA28 is height. They are only a
couple of inches higher than Mooneys, in my experience, while the
Beeches and Cessnas are all much taller. Also, the Cherokee line (as
well as the Mooneys) bring the panel much closer to the pilot than the
Beeches do, which adds to the cramped feeling.

Cabin size was a major consideration when we were buying a plane. I was
amazed at how the different manufacturers report the raw
measurements---I was not able to reproduce some of them. All told,
though, with the exception of the Commander line, the Beeches are huge,
with the Sierra and the Commander 114 being the biggest and most
comfortable inside. In my experience, that is---there were many
smaller-run planes I missed, like the Siao Marchetti 225hp singles from
the early 80s.



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[corcoran]

It is my understanding that Musketeers made in 1970 (mine s/n M1223) were still called 1969 models (mine). Then, in mid 1970, Beech stopped producing Musketeers and began production of Sundowners. Was there ever a round sided Musketeer?

Tom Corcoran

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Rellihan <rellihan@rellihan.com>
To: n76lima@mindspring.com; musketeermail@yahoogroups.com; mediareps@aol.com
Sent: Mon, 2 May 2005 21:58:31 -0400
Subject: Re: [musketeermail] Bob Steward on-the-ropes!


I can't say this with absolute authority, but my understanding from available reference material is that the 19s and 23s had an interior cabin front seat width of 39.5" at the lower window molding. In 1970 this was increased to 44" on the 19/23/24, basically in both front and back, by bowing out the cabin above the door sill level.

All the Bonanzas and Barons have a cabin width of 42", though they differ in length by model. The Cherokee/PA28 line is generally reported to have a cabin width of 42". I have never measured one, but it sure seems tighter than a Bonanza when I am sitting in a Cherokee or Warrior.

----- Original Message -----
From: mediareps@aol.com
To: n76lima@mindspring.com ; musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 8:10 PM
Subject: [musketeermail] Bob Steward on-the-ropes!


It has happened! I think I have found Bob Steward in ERROR. Give me 20 Brownie Points!

I said: Sundowners are bigger than Musketeers. Bob said they are the same.

My slab sided Musketeer was/is/will always be narrower than my round sided Sundowner.
The Sundowner has two doors. A second door was an option on Musketeers.

All those who think I (Tom Corcoran) is right send me a dollar.
All those who think Bob Steward is right, send Tom Corcoran a dollar.

Tom Corcoran
Next - I'll take on OZ "Skygod"

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Steward <n76lima@mindspring.com>
To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 02 May 2005 15:48:32 -0500
Subject: Re: [musketeermail] Sundowner vs Archer



>I have about 3,000 hours logged. Many in Archers. Most in
>Musketeer/Sundowners. (Sundowners are bigger than Musketeers and have two
>doors.)

I think Tom meant to say that Sundowners are bigger than ARCHERS, and
Sundowners have 2 doors.

This may be the reason that some have posted follow on messages about
Musketeers having 2 doors available, etc.

We all know that the Musketeer and the Sundowner are substantially similar
in airframe parts, and aside from the engine differences of O-320 to O-360
and possibly a 3rd window on the side and a baggage door, the airframes are
essentially the same.

Bob Steward, A&P IA
Birmingham, AL


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[simik]

Dunno about your round sided question Tom, but, in terms of Bob S. on
-the- ropes.. I'd bet at ..~100 to 1 odds, & would consider that a
SAFE bet :}

Jon

--- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, mediareps@a... wrote:
> It is my understanding that Musketeers made in 1970 (mine s/n M1223)
were still called 1969 models (mine). Then, in mid 1970, Beech stopped
producing Musketeers and began production of Sundowners. Was there
ever a round sided Musketeer?
>
> Tom Corcoran
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Rellihan <rellihan@r...>
> To: n76lima@m...; musketeermail@yahoogroups.com; mediareps@a...
> Sent: Mon, 2 May 2005 21:58:31 -0400
> Subject: Re: [musketeermail] Bob Steward on-the-ropes!
>
>
> I can't say this with absolute authority, but my understanding from
available reference material is that the 19s and 23s had an interior
cabin front seat width of 39.5" at the lower window molding. In 1970
this was increased to 44" on the 19/23/24, basically in both front and
back, by bowing out the cabin above the door sill level.
>
> All the Bonanzas and Barons have a cabin width of 42", though they
differ in length by model. The Cherokee/PA28 line is generally
reported to have a cabin width of 42". I have never measured one, but
it sure seems tighter than a Bonanza when I am sitting in a Cherokee
or Warrior.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mediareps@a...
> To: n76lima@m... ; musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 8:10 PM
> Subject: [musketeermail] Bob Steward on-the-ropes!
>
>
> It has happened! I think I have found Bob Steward in ERROR. Give me
20 Brownie Points!
>
> I said: Sundowners are bigger than Musketeers. Bob said they are the
same.
>
> My slab sided Musketeer was/is/will always be narrower than my round
sided Sundowner.
> The Sundowner has two doors. A second door was an option on Musketeers.
>
> All those who think I (Tom Corcoran) is right send me a dollar.
> All those who think Bob Steward is right, send Tom Corcoran a dollar.
>
> Tom Corcoran
> Next - I'll take on OZ "Skygod"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Steward <n76lima@m...>
> To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 02 May 2005 15:48:32 -0500
> Subject: Re: [musketeermail] Sundowner vs Archer
>
>
>
> >I have about 3,000 hours logged. Many in Archers. Most in
> >Musketeer/Sundowners. (Sundowners are bigger than Musketeers and
have two
> >doors.)
>
> I think Tom meant to say that Sundowners are bigger than ARCHERS, and
> Sundowners have 2 doors.
>
> This may be the reason that some have posted follow on messages about
> Musketeers having 2 doors available, etc.
>
> We all know that the Musketeer and the Sundowner are substantially
similar
> in airframe parts, and aside from the engine differences of O-320 to
O-360
> and possibly a 3rd window on the side and a baggage door, the
airframes are
> essentially the same.
>
> Bob Steward, A&P IA
> Birmingham, AL
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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