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    Bob Steward on-the-ropes!

    It has happened! I think I have found Bob Steward in ERROR. Give me 20 Brownie Points!

    I said: Sundowners are bigger than Musketeers. Bob said they are the same.

    My slab sided Musketeer was/is/will always be narrower than my round sided Sundowner.
    The Sundowner has two doors. A second door was an option on Musketeers.

    All those who think I (Tom Corcoran) is right send me a dollar.
    All those who think Bob Steward is right, send Tom Corcoran a dollar.

    Tom Corcoran
    Next - I'll take on OZ "Skygod"

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Bob Steward <n76lima@mindspring.com>
    To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Mon, 02 May 2005 15:48:32 -0500
    Subject: Re: [musketeermail] Sundowner vs Archer



    >I have about 3,000 hours logged. Many in Archers. Most in
    >Musketeer/Sundowners. (Sundowners are bigger than Musketeers and have two
    >doors.)

    I think Tom meant to say that Sundowners are bigger than ARCHERS, and
    Sundowners have 2 doors.

    This may be the reason that some have posted follow on messages about
    Musketeers having 2 doors available, etc.

    We all know that the Musketeer and the Sundowner are substantially similar
    in airframe parts, and aside from the engine differences of O-320 to O-360
    and possibly a 3rd window on the side and a baggage door, the airframes are
    essentially the same.

    Bob Steward, A&P IA
    Birmingham, AL





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    Bob Steward on-the-ropes!

    I can't say this with absolute authority, but my understanding from available reference material is that the 19s and 23s had an interior cabin front seat width of 39.5" at the lower window molding. In 1970 this was increased to 44" on the 19/23/24, basically in both front and back, by bowing out the cabin above the door sill level.

    All the Bonanzas and Barons have a cabin width of 42", though they differ in length by model. The Cherokee/PA28 line is generally reported to have a cabin width of 42". I have never measured one, but it sure seems tighter than a Bonanza when I am sitting in a Cherokee or Warrior.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: mediareps@aol.com
    To: n76lima@mindspring.com ; musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 8:10 PM
    Subject: [musketeermail] Bob Steward on-the-ropes!


    It has happened! I think I have found Bob Steward in ERROR. Give me 20 Brownie Points!

    I said: Sundowners are bigger than Musketeers. Bob said they are the same.

    My slab sided Musketeer was/is/will always be narrower than my round sided Sundowner.
    The Sundowner has two doors. A second door was an option on Musketeers.

    All those who think I (Tom Corcoran) is right send me a dollar.
    All those who think Bob Steward is right, send Tom Corcoran a dollar.

    Tom Corcoran
    Next - I'll take on OZ "Skygod"

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Bob Steward <n76lima@mindspring.com>
    To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Mon, 02 May 2005 15:48:32 -0500
    Subject: Re: [musketeermail] Sundowner vs Archer



    >I have about 3,000 hours logged. Many in Archers. Most in
    >Musketeer/Sundowners. (Sundowners are bigger than Musketeers and have two
    >doors.)

    I think Tom meant to say that Sundowners are bigger than ARCHERS, and
    Sundowners have 2 doors.

    This may be the reason that some have posted follow on messages about
    Musketeers having 2 doors available, etc.

    We all know that the Musketeer and the Sundowner are substantially similar
    in airframe parts, and aside from the engine differences of O-320 to O-360
    and possibly a 3rd window on the side and a baggage door, the airframes are
    essentially the same.

    Bob Steward, A&P IA
    Birmingham, AL

    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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    Bob Steward on-the-ropes!

    > All the Bonanzas and Barons have a cabin width of 42", though they
    > differ in length by model. The Cherokee/PA28 line is generally
    > reported to have a cabin width of 42". I have never measured one, but
    > it sure seems tighter than a Bonanza when I am sitting in a Cherokee
    > or Warrior.


    I believe the big difference in the PA28 is height. They are only a
    couple of inches higher than Mooneys, in my experience, while the
    Beeches and Cessnas are all much taller. Also, the Cherokee line (as
    well as the Mooneys) bring the panel much closer to the pilot than the
    Beeches do, which adds to the cramped feeling.

    Cabin size was a major consideration when we were buying a plane. I was
    amazed at how the different manufacturers report the raw
    measurements---I was not able to reproduce some of them. All told,
    though, with the exception of the Commander line, the Beeches are huge,
    with the Sierra and the Commander 114 being the biggest and most
    comfortable inside. In my experience, that is---there were many
    smaller-run planes I missed, like the Siao Marchetti 225hp singles from
    the early 80s.



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    Bob Steward on-the-ropes!

    It is my understanding that Musketeers made in 1970 (mine s/n M1223) were still called 1969 models (mine). Then, in mid 1970, Beech stopped producing Musketeers and began production of Sundowners. Was there ever a round sided Musketeer?

    Tom Corcoran

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mike Rellihan <rellihan@rellihan.com>
    To: n76lima@mindspring.com; musketeermail@yahoogroups.com; mediareps@aol.com
    Sent: Mon, 2 May 2005 21:58:31 -0400
    Subject: Re: [musketeermail] Bob Steward on-the-ropes!


    I can't say this with absolute authority, but my understanding from available reference material is that the 19s and 23s had an interior cabin front seat width of 39.5" at the lower window molding. In 1970 this was increased to 44" on the 19/23/24, basically in both front and back, by bowing out the cabin above the door sill level.

    All the Bonanzas and Barons have a cabin width of 42", though they differ in length by model. The Cherokee/PA28 line is generally reported to have a cabin width of 42". I have never measured one, but it sure seems tighter than a Bonanza when I am sitting in a Cherokee or Warrior.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: mediareps@aol.com
    To: n76lima@mindspring.com ; musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 8:10 PM
    Subject: [musketeermail] Bob Steward on-the-ropes!


    It has happened! I think I have found Bob Steward in ERROR. Give me 20 Brownie Points!

    I said: Sundowners are bigger than Musketeers. Bob said they are the same.

    My slab sided Musketeer was/is/will always be narrower than my round sided Sundowner.
    The Sundowner has two doors. A second door was an option on Musketeers.

    All those who think I (Tom Corcoran) is right send me a dollar.
    All those who think Bob Steward is right, send Tom Corcoran a dollar.

    Tom Corcoran
    Next - I'll take on OZ "Skygod"

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Bob Steward <n76lima@mindspring.com>
    To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Mon, 02 May 2005 15:48:32 -0500
    Subject: Re: [musketeermail] Sundowner vs Archer



    >I have about 3,000 hours logged. Many in Archers. Most in
    >Musketeer/Sundowners. (Sundowners are bigger than Musketeers and have two
    >doors.)

    I think Tom meant to say that Sundowners are bigger than ARCHERS, and
    Sundowners have 2 doors.

    This may be the reason that some have posted follow on messages about
    Musketeers having 2 doors available, etc.

    We all know that the Musketeer and the Sundowner are substantially similar
    in airframe parts, and aside from the engine differences of O-320 to O-360
    and possibly a 3rd window on the side and a baggage door, the airframes are
    essentially the same.

    Bob Steward, A&P IA
    Birmingham, AL


    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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    Bob Steward on-the-ropes!

    Dunno about your round sided question Tom, but, in terms of Bob S. on
    -the- ropes.. I'd bet at ..~100 to 1 odds, & would consider that a
    SAFE bet :}

    Jon

    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, mediareps@a... wrote:
    > It is my understanding that Musketeers made in 1970 (mine s/n M1223)
    were still called 1969 models (mine). Then, in mid 1970, Beech stopped
    producing Musketeers and began production of Sundowners. Was there
    ever a round sided Musketeer?
    >
    > Tom Corcoran
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Mike Rellihan <rellihan@r...>
    > To: n76lima@m...; musketeermail@yahoogroups.com; mediareps@a...
    > Sent: Mon, 2 May 2005 21:58:31 -0400
    > Subject: Re: [musketeermail] Bob Steward on-the-ropes!
    >
    >
    > I can't say this with absolute authority, but my understanding from
    available reference material is that the 19s and 23s had an interior
    cabin front seat width of 39.5" at the lower window molding. In 1970
    this was increased to 44" on the 19/23/24, basically in both front and
    back, by bowing out the cabin above the door sill level.
    >
    > All the Bonanzas and Barons have a cabin width of 42", though they
    differ in length by model. The Cherokee/PA28 line is generally
    reported to have a cabin width of 42". I have never measured one, but
    it sure seems tighter than a Bonanza when I am sitting in a Cherokee
    or Warrior.
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: mediareps@a...
    > To: n76lima@m... ; musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 8:10 PM
    > Subject: [musketeermail] Bob Steward on-the-ropes!
    >
    >
    > It has happened! I think I have found Bob Steward in ERROR. Give me
    20 Brownie Points!
    >
    > I said: Sundowners are bigger than Musketeers. Bob said they are the
    same.
    >
    > My slab sided Musketeer was/is/will always be narrower than my round
    sided Sundowner.
    > The Sundowner has two doors. A second door was an option on Musketeers.
    >
    > All those who think I (Tom Corcoran) is right send me a dollar.
    > All those who think Bob Steward is right, send Tom Corcoran a dollar.
    >
    > Tom Corcoran
    > Next - I'll take on OZ "Skygod"
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Bob Steward <n76lima@m...>
    > To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Mon, 02 May 2005 15:48:32 -0500
    > Subject: Re: [musketeermail] Sundowner vs Archer
    >
    >
    >
    > >I have about 3,000 hours logged. Many in Archers. Most in
    > >Musketeer/Sundowners. (Sundowners are bigger than Musketeers and
    have two
    > >doors.)
    >
    > I think Tom meant to say that Sundowners are bigger than ARCHERS, and
    > Sundowners have 2 doors.
    >
    > This may be the reason that some have posted follow on messages about
    > Musketeers having 2 doors available, etc.
    >
    > We all know that the Musketeer and the Sundowner are substantially
    similar
    > in airframe parts, and aside from the engine differences of O-320 to
    O-360
    > and possibly a 3rd window on the side and a baggage door, the
    airframes are
    > essentially the same.
    >
    > Bob Steward, A&P IA
    > Birmingham, AL
    >
    >
    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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