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  1. #1

    Updating GPS cards

    My airplane partner asked me to research this as the subject had come up
    recently at a DE meeting where a number of examiners had said that they
    would refuse to conduct a check ride unless the data card update was signed
    off by an individual holding an avionics certificate. Turns out they may be
    about half right. It does require a logbook entry by someone holding at
    least a private pilots certificate (which I had not realized) . I also
    presume the often ignored item about having a signoff that you have been
    trained in a particular maintenance procedure would also apply. I located
    this information at:

    <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714...05065618/msgId
    =31098/stime=1172085190/nc1=3848642/nc2=3848525/nc3=3>
    <http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...cal_more/plane
    _talk/media/mar06.pdf>
    http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...al_more/plane_
    talk/media/mar06.pdf

    If any of you are coming up on an instrument checkride, you might want to
    take this into consideration.

    John
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    Updating GPS cards

    This is the DE being a bit of a pedantic pissant, and he's wrong. The card update is specifically an owner task per-part 43, but like all Part 43 activities it _must_ conform to any other maintenance and indeed be signed off on by an A&P, Repairman or Owner/Pilot. Note that like other owner/pilot items this is only for Part 91 ops - commercial ops have to be done by an A&P or Repairman like any other maint.

    But because part 43 calls it out as preventative maintenance then the rest of part 43 record requirements apply, and many people miss this bit. This applies even for a VFR GPS as long as it's permanently installed. Part 43 doesn't differentiate.

    So there is a requirement for a entry in the permanent record including the normal details and a return to service. You don't have to clutter the logbook (airframe or avionics log) if you don't want. I have a preprinted booklet with 13 entries per year that has blanks for the date, tach time, and database cycle and my signature. The GPS info, GPS service, my printed name and PP cert # and other bits are preprinted. In my case I did a similar bit for VOR checks, so I have a simple six page folded in half booklet with room for 12 years of VOR checks and GPS updates.
    --
    Mark


    ________________________________

    From: bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org on behalf of John Waterman
    Sent: Thu 2/22/2007 10:22 AM
    To: bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org; musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [BAC-Mail] Updating GPS cards



    My airplane partner asked me to research this as the subject had come up
    recently at a DE meeting where a number of examiners had said that they
    would refuse to conduct a check ride unless the data card update was signed
    off by an individual holding an avionics certificate. Turns out they may be
    about half right. It does require a logbook entry by someone holding at
    least a private pilots certificate (which I had not realized) . I also
    presume the often ignored item about having a signoff that you have been
    trained in a particular maintenance procedure would also apply. I located
    this information at:

    <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714...05065618/msgId
    =31098/stime=1172085190/nc1=3848642/nc2=3848525/nc3=3>
    <http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...cal_more/plane
    _talk/media/mar06.pdf>
    http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...al_more/plane_
    talk/media/mar06.pdf

    If any of you are coming up on an instrument checkride, you might want to
    take this into consideration.

    John
    __,_._,___
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    http://www.beechaeroclub.org/mailman/listinfo/bac-mail


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    Updating GPS cards

    The part 43 rule is:

    (32) Updating self-contained, front instrument panel-mounted Air Traffic
    Control (ATC) navigational software data bases (excluding those of
    automatic flight control systems, transponders, and microwave frequency
    distance measuring equipment (DME)) provided no disassembly of the unit
    is required and pertinent instructions are provided. Prior to the unit's
    intended use, an operational check must be performed in accordance with
    applicable sections of part 91 of this chapter.

    Note the explicit verification part, Part 43 I divide up the page into
    two colums by 7 rows. In the top left cell I put something like:

    GPS Database Updates for 200__
    Garmin 300XL TSO S/N xxxxx
    Americas Service DGRM22

    Then in each of the 13 remaining cells something like:

    Replaced database card with cycle ________
    effective _____ to ______ . Powered on, verfified
    completion of self-test, service and
    cycle on GPS start page. Aircraft returned to
    service, tach time _______ hrs.


    _________________________ ____________
    Mark Gooderum PPSEL #xxxx Date

    It's a bit overkill but covers all the bases. If you want you can
    pre-print the page with the cycle numbers and effective dates as these
    are known in advance and just cross out or leave blank entries you don't
    use.
    -=-
    Mark





    ________________________________

    From: Mark Gooderum
    Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:51 AM
    To: John Waterman; bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org;
    musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: RE: [BAC-Mail] Updating GPS cards


    This is the DE being a bit of a pedantic pissant, and he's
    wrong. The card update is specifically an owner task per-part 43, but
    like all Part 43 activities it _must_ conform to any other maintenance
    and indeed be signed off on by an A&P, Repairman or Owner/Pilot. Note
    that like other owner/pilot items this is only for Part 91 ops -
    commercial ops have to be done by an A&P or Repairman like any other
    maint.

    But because part 43 calls it out as preventative maintenance
    then the rest of part 43 record requirements apply, and many people miss
    this bit. This applies even for a VFR GPS as long as it's permanently
    installed. Part 43 doesn't differentiate.

    So there is a requirement for a entry in the permanent record
    including the normal details and a return to service. You don't have to
    clutter the logbook (airframe or avionics log) if you don't want. I
    have a preprinted booklet with 13 entries per year that has blanks for
    the date, tach time, and database cycle and my signature. The GPS info,
    GPS service, my printed name and PP cert # and other bits are
    preprinted. In my case I did a similar bit for VOR checks, so I have a
    simple six page folded in half booklet with room for 12 years of VOR
    checks and GPS updates.
    --
    Mark


    ________________________________

    From: bac-mail-bounces@beechaeroclub.org on behalf of John
    Waterman
    Sent: Thu 2/22/2007 10:22 AM
    To: bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org; musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [BAC-Mail] Updating GPS cards



    My airplane partner asked me to research this as the subject
    had come up
    recently at a DE meeting where a number of examiners had said
    that they
    would refuse to conduct a check ride unless the data card update
    was signed
    off by an individual holding an avionics certificate. Turns out
    they may be
    about half right. It does require a logbook entry by someone
    holding at
    least a private pilots certificate (which I had not realized) .
    I also
    presume the often ignored item about having a signoff that you
    have been
    trained in a particular maintenance procedure would also apply.
    I located
    this information at:


    <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714...d=1705065618/m
    sgId
    =31098/stime=1172085190/nc1=3848642/nc2=3848525/nc3=3>

    <http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...k/local_more/p
    lane
    _talk/media/mar06.pdf>

    http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/.../local_more/pl
    ane_
    talk/media/mar06.pdf

    If any of you are coming up on an instrument checkride, you
    might want to
    take this into consideration.

    John
    __,_._,___
    _______________________________________________
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    http://www.beechaeroclub.org/mailman/listinfo/bac-mail


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