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    Selling A Plane into Canada

    Looks like I might have a buyer for my plane. His wife and he stopped by
    this weekend - very nice couple! Anyway, he told me that if he buys it
    he would prefer (but it wouldn't be a deal breaker) for me to deliver it
    to Canada. He says it is less of a hassle to have a plane delivered to
    Canada than for a Canadian to come to the US and then fly the plane back
    to Canada. Do any of you have any insight into this? Any other dos and
    don'ts about selling the plane to a Canadian buyer will be appreciated.
    I've also sent a request to AOPA. Thank you in advance for any
    assistance.



    David Snodgrass
    Beech Be23 N6083N
    Roanoke, IN



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    Selling A Plane into Canada

    David:

    Below is an excerpt from COPA's guide to purchasing an aircraft which may be
    helpful. Don C-GNIO

    "In general all the usual items apply when buying an aircraft from a foreign
    country - you still need a pre-purchase inspection and a lien search, etc.
    There are some special items to keep in mind when buying an aircraft from
    outside Canada, particularly from the USA.
    One of the things that will happen when you import any aircraft
    (except ultralights) into Canada is that it will be subject to an
    inspection. For certified aircraft, aside from the usual airworthiness
    items, the inspector will be looking for STC and FAA Form 337 modifications.
    US Supplementary Type Certified modifications (STC) are generally acceptable
    in Canada. The other way that US certified aircraft can be modified is with
    a field approval (Form 337). These are not acceptable in Canada and the
    modification must be removed from the aircraft or put through the Canadian
    LSTC (Limited STC) process. The LSTC process is time consuming and expensive
    and will involve engineering documentation requirements and test flying by
    Transport Canada. It is best to make sure that your soon-to-be-ex-US
    aircraft has no 337 mods that cannot be easily removed. If you are unsure,
    contact your regional Transport Canada Airworthiness Certification office.

    One of the most common items that have been installed on US
    aircraft under a Form 337 recently are some IFR certified panel-mounted GPS
    sets. These individual installations may or may not be acceptable in Canada.
    When the aircraft gets to Canada the installation will have to be inspected
    and will need an LSTC signed off for it, including a test flight. Many of
    these aircraft with Form 337 GPS sets that have been imported have been
    found to be improperly installed and wired and require removal and
    reinstallation.

    Some owners spend a lot of time and trouble to get a Certificate
    of Airworthiness for Export from the foreign Civil Aviation Authority prior
    to exporting an aircraft to Canada. Recent information from TC indicates
    that getting this document is a waste of time and money these days. Long ago
    you could not import a certified aircraft from another country into Canada
    without this document. Back then the Certificate of Airworthiness for Export
    proved that the aircraft conformed to its "type definition" and could have
    saved having a new inspection in Canada to confirm that. All that has
    changed. Because foreign aircraft may have field mods, "owner-made parts"
    and other non-internationally-accepted changes, the Certificate of
    Airworthiness for Export doesn't tell TC anything about its acceptability in
    Canada. As a result the aircraft will still need a complete conformity
    inspection anyway before it receives its Canadian C of A, so the Certificate
    of Airworthiness for Export doesn't save any time or money. Aircraft can be
    imported into Canada with or without it.

    It should be noted that in the case of certified aircraft
    exported from the USA, the FAA requires a Certificate of Airworthiness for
    Export to be obtained. This is unfortunate, as document then doesn't do you
    any good on import into Canada, as it isn't accepted here and just costs
    time and money to obtain.

    To register the aircraft in Canada you will need to get a Bill
    of Sale for the aircraft (just like in Canada). You will also need to have
    the aircraft removed from the foreign register. This is because ICAO rules
    state that an aircraft cannot be registered in more than one country at a
    time. You have to provide proof that it isn't registered in the exporting
    country before it can be registered in Canada. When dealing with the FAA you
    can provide them with a copy of the Bill of Sale and they will de-register
    the aircraft. They will send you a letter and you will need that, along with
    another copy of the Bill of Sale, to register the aircraft in Canada.
    Complete details are on the FAA website.

    The US owner can alternatively have the aircraft de-registered before it
    leaves their custody, but make sure that the aircraft doesn't fly
    unregistered!

    On the subject of ferrying the aircraft home - the person who
    flies the aircraft will have to have an appropriate pilot licence. That
    means that if the aircraft is US registered you will need an FAA Pilot
    Certificate to fly it in US airspace. Canadians can get one of these by
    presenting their Private Pilot or higher licence, (Recreational Pilot
    Permits don't work), medical certificate and logbook to any FAA Flight
    Standards District Office (FSDO). You will have to fill out a Pilot
    Certificate application form and a security background check form. The
    security check will delay the issue of the FAA certificate by some 30-60
    days, so plan ahead for the ferry trip! There is currently no charge by the
    FAA for this issuance.

    When bringing the aircraft across the border you will be
    required to declare the aircraft to Canada Customs and pay GST and PST or
    HST (if applicable). There are no customs charges or duty on aircraft or
    aircraft parts. See the Taxes section in this guide for more information.

    Once the US registered aircraft arrives at its final
    destination in Canada it is grounded until it has its Canadian C of A and C
    of R, along with its registration letters actually affixed to it. If the
    paperwork runs smoothly the aircraft should be only grounded a week or two."

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Snodgrass, David L." <david.snodgrass@unisys.com>
    To: <bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org>
    Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:52 AM
    Subject: [BAC-Mail] Selling A Plane into Canada


    Looks like I might have a buyer for my plane. His wife and he stopped by
    this weekend - very nice couple! Anyway, he told me that if he buys it
    he would prefer (but it wouldn't be a deal breaker) for me to deliver it
    to Canada. He says it is less of a hassle to have a plane delivered to
    Canada than for a Canadian to come to the US and then fly the plane back
    to Canada. Do any of you have any insight into this? Any other dos and
    don'ts about selling the plane to a Canadian buyer will be appreciated.
    I've also sent a request to AOPA. Thank you in advance for any
    assistance.



    David Snodgrass
    Beech Be23 N6083N
    Roanoke, IN



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    sky is home. - anonymous



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    Selling A Plane into Canada

    SNODGRASS - Don't sell your plane.

    Over and out.

    T. A. Corcoran
    Boston and Canada

    -----Original Message-----
    From: david.snodgrass@unisys.com
    To: bac-mail@beechaeroclub.org
    Sent: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 8:52 AM
    Subject: [BAC-Mail] Selling A Plane into Canada


    Looks like I might have a buyer for my plane. His wife and he stopped by
    this weekend - very nice couple! Anyway, he told me that if he buys it
    he would prefer (but it wouldn't be a deal breaker) for me to deliver it
    to Canada. He says it is less of a hassle to have a plane delivered to
    Canada than for a Canadian to come to the US and then fly the plane back
    to Canada. Do any of you have any insight into this? Any other dos and
    don'ts about selling the plane to a Canadian buyer will be appreciated.
    I've also sent a request to AOPA. Thank you in advance for any
    assistance.



    David Snodgrass
    Beech Be23 N6083N
    Roanoke, IN



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