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  1. #1

    Sport mod to add baggage area

    Has anybody already moved the aft wall of the Sport to create a
    Sundowner-like baggage area? If so, I'd like to get a copy of your
    337 & any other paperwork, to support a letter that I've written to
    get FAA engineering concurrance for a field approval. Once/if
    approved, I'll put the package in the BAC archives for others to
    follow.
    Thanks
    Bob
    A&P, Aero Eng




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  2. #2

    Sport mod to add baggage area

    I think you'd be the first. I also wish you well in achieving this on
    your Sport. (FAA?!?)

    OTOH, I've seen a baggage area & cargo door on earlier svelt, slab
    sided Spotrs. I'm assuming you have the newer body style.

    Jon

    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Swaim" <dswaim1119@c...> wrote:
    > Has anybody already moved the aft wall of the Sport to create a
    > Sundowner-like baggage area? If so, I'd like to get a copy of your
    > 337 & any other paperwork, to support a letter that I've written to
    > get FAA engineering concurrance for a field approval. Once/if
    > approved, I'll put the package in the BAC archives for others to
    > follow.
    > Thanks
    > Bob
    > A&P, Aero Eng




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  3. #3

    Sport mod to add baggage area

    BTW, any news on the 10 buck a pop donuts?

    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "jon simik" <bigbajon@a...> wrote:
    > I think you'd be the first. I also wish you well in achieving this on
    > your Sport. (FAA?!?)
    >
    > OTOH, I've seen a baggage area & cargo door on earlier svelt, slab
    > sided Spotrs. I'm assuming you have the newer body style.
    >
    > Jon
    >
    > --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Swaim" <dswaim1119@c...>
    wrote:
    > > Has anybody already moved the aft wall of the Sport to create a
    > > Sundowner-like baggage area? If so, I'd like to get a copy of your
    > > 337 & any other paperwork, to support a letter that I've written to
    > > get FAA engineering concurrance for a field approval. Once/if
    > > approved, I'll put the package in the BAC archives for others to
    > > follow.
    > > Thanks
    > > Bob
    > > A&P, Aero Eng




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  4. #4

    Sport mod to add baggage area

    Still in work is the short answer.

    Paul Edwards is a group member who has access to better lab
    facilities at his university for examination of what the rubber is
    composed of. I've cut the following from a summary he wrote:

    Our organic/instrumental guru gave them to one of our
    advanced students as a project. As I understand it, it was pretty
    clear that the material was actually a mix of several polymers.
    Since then, we have both been busy, and I haven't gotten back to him
    about the donut.

    This is interesting, because the prelim test done by my colleague
    indicated the presence of natural rubber. But then, he's a
    metallurgist and admitted being in an area where he'd ask others for
    help, so I'd rely on Paul's results. As there are multiple
    polymers, it may be that we can't simply water-jet new discs.

    Paul and I discussed having the student put the results in a report
    and propose what to use. It's now the end of the school year and I
    figured that asking for anything now would be as welcome as asking
    an accountant non-tax questions just before April 15.

    Bob

    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "jon simik" <bigbajon@a...>
    wrote:
    > BTW, any news on the 10 buck a pop donuts?
    >
    > --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "jon simik" <bigbajon@a...>
    wrote:
    > > I think you'd be the first. I also wish you well in achieving
    this on
    > > your Sport. (FAA?!?)
    > >
    > > OTOH, I've seen a baggage area & cargo door on earlier svelt,
    slab
    > > sided Spotrs. I'm assuming you have the newer body style.
    > >
    > > Jon
    > >
    > > --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Swaim"
    <dswaim1119@c...>
    > wrote:
    > > > Has anybody already moved the aft wall of the Sport to create
    a
    > > > Sundowner-like baggage area? If so, I'd like to get a copy of
    your
    > > > 337 & any other paperwork, to support a letter that I've
    written to
    > > > get FAA engineering concurrance for a field approval. Once/if
    > > > approved, I'll put the package in the BAC archives for others
    to
    > > > follow.
    > > > Thanks
    > > > Bob
    > > > A&P, Aero Eng




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  5. #5

    Sport mod to add baggage area

    Bob.
    I too looked into this for my 1975 Sport. I found a Sundowner at Dodson's
    Salvage and I was going to do something similar. This is going to be a major
    project because it is more that just cutting the skin for the door. The skin
    panel on the Sundowner was made with the door cut out and chem. milled
    around the opening for stress. On the sport, you will have to build
    stiffeners around the opening. The Battery Box will have to be re-located to
    station 181 which might not be too bad and the floor channels are already
    there at least on My sport they are.

    The aft bulkhead and hat shelf will have to be attached to the next bulkhead
    back and you will have to build the channel support for the hat shelf to
    attach the shelf to. I do not think that the FAA will go for a Field
    Approval with this kind of mod but if you need any help, let me know. This
    is the kind of stuff I really enjoy doing.

    Jeff Bryant
    Southwest Regional Director
    Beech Aero Club


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    From: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:musketeermail@yahoogroups.com]
    On Behalf Of Bob Swaim
    Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:38 AM
    To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [musketeermail] Sport mod to add baggage area


    Has anybody already moved the aft wall of the Sport to create a
    Sundowner-like baggage area? If so, I'd like to get a copy of your
    337 & any other paperwork, to support a letter that I've written to
    get FAA engineering concurrance for a field approval. Once/if
    approved, I'll put the package in the BAC archives for others to
    follow.
    Thanks
    Bob
    A&P, Aero Eng




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  6. #6

    Sport mod to add baggage area

    I'm going for something simpler that is totally based on existing
    structure and off-the-shelf parts:
    Leaving out the baggage door will reduce weight, complexity, and
    cost.
    Changing to Sundowner/Sierra folding seats for bag access from
    within the cabin. (Thanks to Jeff Osier-Mixon and his unfortunate
    airplane loss!) This will take addition of 4 nutplates and 4 hat-
    section clips.
    Moving the existing flat aft wall of the cabin one frame further aft
    as a flat wall, without hat shelf.
    Moving the battery toward the FRONT side of FS 181, to use the
    existing sub-floor structure, cables, and vents, also preventing the
    need to add structure aft of FS181. (Yes, it'll be in the corner of
    the baggage area.)
    Tracing the window cut-outs from a Sundowner (anybody near damascus,
    MD?) and using stock parts from there.

    The FAA and I are talking about how to document this, which is the
    real hurdle. So far, it looks like I'll need to do three sets of
    paperwork for engineering concurrance and 337s; seats, movement of
    the aft wall, and window additions. If I can make it work, I'll
    share the paperwork through BAC.

    Bob
    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff and Teresa Bryant"
    <jnt.bryant@v...> wrote:
    > Bob.
    > I too looked into this for my 1975 Sport. I found a Sundowner at
    Dodson's
    > Salvage and I was going to do something similar. This is going to
    be a major
    > project because it is more that just cutting the skin for the
    door. The skin
    > panel on the Sundowner was made with the door cut out and chem.
    milled
    > around the opening for stress. On the sport, you will have to build
    > stiffeners around the opening. The Battery Box will have to be re-
    located to
    > station 181 which might not be too bad and the floor channels are
    already
    > there at least on My sport they are.
    >
    > The aft bulkhead and hat shelf will have to be attached to the
    next bulkhead
    > back and you will have to build the channel support for the hat
    shelf to
    > attach the shelf to. I do not think that the FAA will go for a
    Field
    > Approval with this kind of mod but if you need any help, let me
    know. This
    > is the kind of stuff I really enjoy doing.
    >
    > Jeff Bryant
    > Southwest Regional Director
    > Beech Aero Club
    >
    >
    > _____
    >
    > From: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    [mailto:musketeermail@yahoogroups.com]
    > On Behalf Of Bob Swaim
    > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:38 AM
    > To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: [musketeermail] Sport mod to add baggage area
    >
    >
    > Has anybody already moved the aft wall of the Sport to create a
    > Sundowner-like baggage area? If so, I'd like to get a copy of
    your
    > 337 & any other paperwork, to support a letter that I've written
    to
    > get FAA engineering concurrance for a field approval. Once/if
    > approved, I'll put the package in the BAC archives for others to
    > follow.
    > Thanks
    > Bob
    > A&P, Aero Eng
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Join BAC today and be a part of the ONLY Type Club for the
    Musketeer series!
    >
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    >
    >
    >
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  7. #7

    Sport mod to add baggage area

    Your Idea sounds great. Never looked at it that way. Let me know how it
    comes out or if you need any help.

    Jeff Bryant
    Southwest Regional Director
    Beech Aero Club


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    From: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:musketeermail@yahoogroups.com]
    On Behalf Of Bob Swaim
    Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:27 AM
    To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [musketeermail] Re: Sport mod to add baggage area


    I'm going for something simpler that is totally based on existing
    structure and off-the-shelf parts:
    Leaving out the baggage door will reduce weight, complexity, and
    cost.
    Changing to Sundowner/Sierra folding seats for bag access from
    within the cabin. (Thanks to Jeff Osier-Mixon and his unfortunate
    airplane loss!) This will take addition of 4 nutplates and 4 hat-
    section clips.
    Moving the existing flat aft wall of the cabin one frame further aft
    as a flat wall, without hat shelf.
    Moving the battery toward the FRONT side of FS 181, to use the
    existing sub-floor structure, cables, and vents, also preventing the
    need to add structure aft of FS181. (Yes, it'll be in the corner of
    the baggage area.)
    Tracing the window cut-outs from a Sundowner (anybody near damascus,
    MD?) and using stock parts from there.

    The FAA and I are talking about how to document this, which is the
    real hurdle. So far, it looks like I'll need to do three sets of
    paperwork for engineering concurrance and 337s; seats, movement of
    the aft wall, and window additions. If I can make it work, I'll
    share the paperwork through BAC.

    Bob
    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff and Teresa Bryant"
    <jnt.bryant@v...> wrote:
    > Bob.
    > I too looked into this for my 1975 Sport. I found a Sundowner at
    Dodson's
    > Salvage and I was going to do something similar. This is going to
    be a major
    > project because it is more that just cutting the skin for the
    door. The skin
    > panel on the Sundowner was made with the door cut out and chem.
    milled
    > around the opening for stress. On the sport, you will have to build
    > stiffeners around the opening. The Battery Box will have to be re-
    located to
    > station 181 which might not be too bad and the floor channels are
    already
    > there at least on My sport they are.
    >
    > The aft bulkhead and hat shelf will have to be attached to the
    next bulkhead
    > back and you will have to build the channel support for the hat
    shelf to
    > attach the shelf to. I do not think that the FAA will go for a
    Field
    > Approval with this kind of mod but if you need any help, let me
    know. This
    > is the kind of stuff I really enjoy doing.
    >
    > Jeff Bryant
    > Southwest Regional Director
    > Beech Aero Club
    >
    >
    > _____
    >
    > From: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    [mailto:musketeermail@yahoogroups.com]
    > On Behalf Of Bob Swaim
    > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:38 AM
    > To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: [musketeermail] Sport mod to add baggage area
    >
    >
    > Has anybody already moved the aft wall of the Sport to create a
    > Sundowner-like baggage area? If so, I'd like to get a copy of
    your
    > 337 & any other paperwork, to support a letter that I've written
    to
    > get FAA engineering concurrance for a field approval. Once/if
    > approved, I'll put the package in the BAC archives for others to
    > follow.
    > Thanks
    > Bob
    > A&P, Aero Eng
    >
    >
    >
    >
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