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  1. #1

    PEI Fly-In - FCC Radio Station License

    Tim,
    To my knowledge,
    A Canadian private pilot used to have to have a radio licence and pay a yearly $40 fee, but that was cancelled many(? five)years ago.
    Ray Griffin
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Tim Flight
    To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 4:39 PM
    Subject: [musketeermail] PEI Fly-In - FCC Radio Station License


    The topic of FCC Radio Station Licenses came up a few weeks ago in regard to the PEI Fly-In.
    For those that don't subscribe, this topic came up in AOPA ePilot today.



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  2. #2

    PEI Fly-In - FCC Radio Station License

    Tom ...keep this one handy in case needed for the radio licence issue. Below
    is the full transcript of the AOPA / COPA transborder (US to Canada / Canada
    to US) flight check-list (just off the website). Note: no mention anywhere
    of the radio licence (because you don't need one!). The mention in the regs
    about needing one "outside Canada" is to pick up the need for one in case
    any of us Canadians fly into a country that does.

    Ed Fitchett
    C-GBTC
    Toronto Canada




    AOPA/COPA Checklist For Cross-Border Flight Operations
    PREFLIGHT

    Appropriate charts and Flight Supplements

    PERSONAL DOCUMENTATION

    Pilot Certificate

    Medical Certificate

    Notarized letter authorizing children to fly in Canada/United
    States (only if accompanied by one parent)

    Proof of citizenship

    Passport

    Birth certificate (original or certified true copy)

    Photo ID (required with birth certificate)

    Resident Alien ID Card

    Other Visa documentation as required



    AIRCRAFT DOCUMENTATION
    Airworthiness Certificate

    Registration certificate (not temporary certificate)

    Operating limitations

    Weight and balance information

    Experimental Aircraft and Canadian Ultralights-Standardized
    Validation (for ops in Canada) or Special Flight Authorization (for ops in
    US)

    Proof of Liability Insurance (required in Canada)

    FAA Form 337 (US aircraft only) or STC documentation if fuel tanks
    have been added in baggage or passenger compartments



    DEPARTURE


    Give advance notification to Customs

    U.S. to Canada-contact Telephone Reporting Centre at 888-226-7277
    at least two hours but no more than 48 hours before arrival

    Canada to U.S.-telephone Customs office at Airport of Entry no less
    than two hours or more than 23 hours before arrival

    File and activate a VFR or IFR flight plan

    Advise Customs if any change in ETA at AOE via ATC/FSS while in
    flight, get badge number and name of Customs official that ATC/FSS speaks
    with



    ARRIVAL
    Make first landing at an Airport of Entry (AOE)

    Taxi to Customs area on ramp

    In U.S.-Do not be early and no more than 15 minutes off ETA; wait
    for Customs official to motion you out of aircraft

    In Canada-if not met by Customs, find a telephone and call
    888-226-7277, follow directions from Customs official, obtain arrival report
    number

    If inspected, present documentation as required, fill out any declaration
    forms and pay appropriate duties and taxes

    DON'T FORGET TO CLOSE YOUR FLIGHT PLAN!





    ENJOY YOUR FLIGHT TO CANADA OR THE UNITED STATES


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Snodgrass, David L." <david.snodgrass@unisys.com>
    To: "Janet and Don Bateman" <batejd@porchlight.ca>; "Ed Fitchett"
    <efitchett@sympatico.ca>; <musketeermail@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 11:51 PM
    Subject: RE: [inbox] [musketeermail] PEI Fly-In - FCC Radio Station License


    > I must be a little thick headed because I'm still seeing that a radio
    > license, at least the one for the pilot, is still needed when a U.S.
    > pilot/plane is flying in Canada. There will be two or three planes of us
    > flying through Canada on our way to Alaska starting June 17th. Time is
    > running out if we need either or both the radio license for the plane
    > and the one for the pilot. Any expert and definitive advise will be
    > greatly appreciated.
    >
    >
    > David Snodgrass
    > BAC East Central Regional Director
    > Beech Be23 N6083N
    > North Manchester, IN
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    > [mailto:musketeermail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Janet and Don
    > Bateman
    > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 10:06 PM
    > To: Ed Fitchett; musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: Re: [inbox] [musketeermail] PEI Fly-In - FCC Radio Station
    > License
    >
    > Click on this link for Canadian radio station licensing requirements.
    > http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/inter..._sf01775e.html
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: Ed Fitchett
    > To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 9:51 PM
    > Subject: Re: [inbox] [musketeermail] PEI Fly-In - FCC Radio Station
    > License
    >
    >
    > Tim is right, as I posted here a few weeks ago on the subject,
    > Canadian Regs
    > no longer require a radio licence.
    >
    > Ed Fitchett
    > C-GBTC
    > Toronto - Canada
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Tim Flight" <yahoo@systemfolder.com>
    > To: <musketeermail@yahoogroups.com>
    > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 7:39 PM
    > Subject: [inbox] [musketeermail] PEI Fly-In - FCC Radio Station
    > License
    >
    >
    > > The topic of FCC Radio Station Licenses came up a few weeks ago in
    > regard
    > to the PEI Fly-In.
    > > For those that don't subscribe, this topic came up in AOPA ePilot
    > today.
    > >
    > > Q: I am planning to fly to Canada this summer and have heard that I
    > > need to get a Federal Communications Commission (FCC) license. I
    > could
    > > not find this requirement in the FAA regulations anywhere. Can AOPA
    > tell
    > > me the source of this information?
    > >
    > > A: The FCC and International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO)--not
    > > the FAA--outline the requirements for the FCC permits a pilot must
    > hold.
    > > Two separate references cover these requirements. FCC 47 CFR Part 87
    > Section
    > > 87.18 (
    > http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/w...7cfr87_04.html )
    > > relates to the aircraft radio station license. ICAO Annex 6,
    > Operation
    > > of Aircraft, Part 1, Chapter 9, Paragraph 9.1.2, requires the pilot
    > to
    > > hold a valid radio operator's license. While neither permit is
    > required
    > > for U.S. domestic purposes, both are required when flying outside
    > the
    > > United States. Read more about the FCC's aircraft radio station
    > license
    > > ( http://wireless.fcc.gov/aviation/fctsht4.html ) and about flying
    > to
    > > Canada ( http://www.aopa.org/members/files/tr...da/index2.html
    > ).
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  3. #3

    PEI Fly-In - FCC Radio Station License

    I asked a Canadian Customs officer at Oshkosh a few years ago about the
    radio license. His reply was that he has done inspections with
    'extreme prejudice' and even then has never asked for a radio license.
    I have flown into Canada five times and have never been asked for it (or
    for anything else, either, for that matter). They do keep track of the
    aircraft and occupants, as last time I crossed I didn't have my
    passenger's birth date handy when I called customs. They said 'never
    mind, we already have it'.

    I would never tell anyone not to get the license if they feel the need,
    but I will continue to cross without one.

    Ed Fitchett wrote:

    >Tom ...keep this one handy in case needed for the radio licence issue. Below
    >is the full transcript of the AOPA / COPA transborder (US to Canada / Canada
    >to US) flight check-list (just off the website). Note: no mention anywhere
    >of the radio licence (because you don't need one!). The mention in the regs
    >about needing one "outside Canada" is to pick up the need for one in case
    >any of us Canadians fly into a country that does.
    >
    >Ed Fitchett
    >C-GBTC
    >Toronto Canada
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >AOPA/COPA Checklist For Cross-Border Flight Operations
    > PREFLIGHT
    >
    > Appropriate charts and Flight Supplements
    >
    > PERSONAL DOCUMENTATION
    >
    > Pilot Certificate
    >
    > Medical Certificate
    >
    > Notarized letter authorizing children to fly in Canada/United
    >States (only if accompanied by one parent)
    >
    > Proof of citizenship
    >
    > Passport
    >
    > Birth certificate (original or certified true copy)
    >
    > Photo ID (required with birth certificate)
    >
    > Resident Alien ID Card
    >
    > Other Visa documentation as required
    >
    >
    >
    >AIRCRAFT DOCUMENTATION
    > Airworthiness Certificate
    >
    > Registration certificate (not temporary certificate)
    >
    > Operating limitations
    >
    > Weight and balance information
    >
    > Experimental Aircraft and Canadian Ultralights-Standardized
    >Validation (for ops in Canada) or Special Flight Authorization (for ops in
    >US)
    >
    > Proof of Liability Insurance (required in Canada)
    >
    > FAA Form 337 (US aircraft only) or STC documentation if fuel tanks
    >have been added in baggage or passenger compartments
    >
    >
    >
    >DEPARTURE
    >
    >
    > Give advance notification to Customs
    >
    > U.S. to Canada-contact Telephone Reporting Centre at 888-226-7277
    >at least two hours but no more than 48 hours before arrival
    >
    > Canada to U.S.-telephone Customs office at Airport of Entry no less
    >than two hours or more than 23 hours before arrival
    >
    > File and activate a VFR or IFR flight plan
    >
    > Advise Customs if any change in ETA at AOE via ATC/FSS while in
    >flight, get badge number and name of Customs official that ATC/FSS speaks
    >with
    >
    >
    >
    >ARRIVAL
    > Make first landing at an Airport of Entry (AOE)
    >
    > Taxi to Customs area on ramp
    >
    > In U.S.-Do not be early and no more than 15 minutes off ETA; wait
    >for Customs official to motion you out of aircraft
    >
    > In Canada-if not met by Customs, find a telephone and call
    >888-226-7277, follow directions from Customs official, obtain arrival report
    >number
    >
    >If inspected, present documentation as required, fill out any declaration
    >forms and pay appropriate duties and taxes
    >
    > DON'T FORGET TO CLOSE YOUR FLIGHT PLAN!
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >ENJOY YOUR FLIGHT TO CANADA OR THE UNITED STATES
    >
    >
    >----- Original Message -----
    >From: "Snodgrass, David L." <david.snodgrass@unisys.com>
    >To: "Janet and Don Bateman" <batejd@porchlight.ca>; "Ed Fitchett"
    ><efitchett@sympatico.ca>; <musketeermail@yahoogroups.com>
    >Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 11:51 PM
    >Subject: RE: [inbox] [musketeermail] PEI Fly-In - FCC Radio Station License
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >>I must be a little thick headed because I'm still seeing that a radio
    >>license, at least the one for the pilot, is still needed when a U.S.
    >>pilot/plane is flying in Canada. There will be two or three planes of us
    >>flying through Canada on our way to Alaska starting June 17th. Time is
    >>running out if we need either or both the radio license for the plane
    >>and the one for the pilot. Any expert and definitive advise will be
    >>greatly appreciated.
    >>
    >>
    >>David Snodgrass
    >>BAC East Central Regional Director
    >>Beech Be23 N6083N
    >>North Manchester, IN
    >>
    >>
    >>-----Original Message-----
    >>From: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    >>[mailto:musketeermail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Janet and Don
    >>Bateman
    >>Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 10:06 PM
    >>To: Ed Fitchett; musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    >>Subject: Re: [inbox] [musketeermail] PEI Fly-In - FCC Radio Station
    >>License
    >>
    >>Click on this link for Canadian radio station licensing requirements.
    >>http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/inter..._sf01775e.html
    >> ----- Original Message -----
    >> From: Ed Fitchett
    >> To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    >> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 9:51 PM
    >> Subject: Re: [inbox] [musketeermail] PEI Fly-In - FCC Radio Station
    >>License
    >>
    >>
    >> Tim is right, as I posted here a few weeks ago on the subject,
    >>Canadian Regs
    >> no longer require a radio licence.
    >>
    >> Ed Fitchett
    >> C-GBTC
    >> Toronto - Canada
    >>
    >> ----- Original Message -----
    >> From: "Tim Flight" <yahoo@systemfolder.com>
    >> To: <musketeermail@yahoogroups.com>
    >> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 7:39 PM
    >> Subject: [inbox] [musketeermail] PEI Fly-In - FCC Radio Station
    >>License
    >>
    >>
    >> > The topic of FCC Radio Station Licenses came up a few weeks ago in
    >>regard
    >> to the PEI Fly-In.
    >> > For those that don't subscribe, this topic came up in AOPA ePilot
    >>today.
    >> >
    >> > Q: I am planning to fly to Canada this summer and have heard that I
    >> > need to get a Federal Communications Commission (FCC) license. I
    >>could
    >> > not find this requirement in the FAA regulations anywhere. Can AOPA
    >>tell
    >> > me the source of this information?
    >> >
    >> > A: The FCC and International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO)--not
    >> > the FAA--outline the requirements for the FCC permits a pilot must
    >>hold.
    >> > Two separate references cover these requirements. FCC 47 CFR Part 87
    >> Section
    >> > 87.18 (
    >>http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/w...7cfr87_04.html )
    >> > relates to the aircraft radio station license. ICAO Annex 6,
    >>Operation
    >> > of Aircraft, Part 1, Chapter 9, Paragraph 9.1.2, requires the pilot
    >>to
    >> > hold a valid radio operator's license. While neither permit is
    >>required
    >> > for U.S. domestic purposes, both are required when flying outside
    >>the
    >> > United States. Read more about the FCC's aircraft radio station
    >>license
    >> > ( http://wireless.fcc.gov/aviation/fctsht4.html ) and about flying
    >>to
    >> > Canada ( http://www.aopa.org/members/files/tr...da/index2.html
    >>).
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  4. #4

    PEI Fly-In - FCC Radio Station License

    I have had the same experience as Bob. I've been to Canada several times
    and never have heard the words "radio license". I would not worry about it.
    When we entered at Lethbridge four years ago, we cleared customs remotely
    over the phone. We never saw a live customs agent. Canada is a much more
    relaxed place than the US.

    Carl Link
    N3666Q
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Bob Schmidt" <rgschmi@execpc.com>
    To: "Ed Fitchett" <efitchett@sympatico.ca>
    Cc: <musketeermail@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 1:33 PM
    Subject: Re: [musketeermail] PEI Fly-In - FCC Radio Station License


    >I asked a Canadian Customs officer at Oshkosh a few years ago about the
    > radio license. His reply was that he has done inspections with
    > 'extreme prejudice' and even then has never asked for a radio license.
    > I have flown into Canada five times and have never been asked for it (or
    > for anything else, either, for that matter). They do keep track of the
    > aircraft and occupants, as last time I crossed I didn't have my
    > passenger's birth date handy when I called customs. They said 'never
    > mind, we already have it'.
    >
    > I would never tell anyone not to get the license if they feel the need,
    > but I will continue to cross without one.
    >
    > Ed Fitchett wrote:
    >
    >>Tom ...keep this one handy in case needed for the radio licence issue.
    >>Below
    >>is the full transcript of the AOPA / COPA transborder (US to Canada /
    >>Canada
    >>to US) flight check-list (just off the website). Note: no mention anywhere
    >>of the radio licence (because you don't need one!). The mention in the
    >>regs
    >>about needing one "outside Canada" is to pick up the need for one in case
    >>any of us Canadians fly into a country that does.
    >>
    >>Ed Fitchett
    >>C-GBTC
    >>Toronto Canada
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>AOPA/COPA Checklist For Cross-Border Flight Operations
    >> PREFLIGHT
    >>
    >> Appropriate charts and Flight Supplements
    >>
    >> PERSONAL DOCUMENTATION
    >>
    >> Pilot Certificate
    >>
    >> Medical Certificate
    >>
    >> Notarized letter authorizing children to fly in Canada/United
    >>States (only if accompanied by one parent)
    >>
    >> Proof of citizenship
    >>
    >> Passport
    >>
    >> Birth certificate (original or certified true copy)
    >>
    >> Photo ID (required with birth certificate)
    >>
    >> Resident Alien ID Card
    >>
    >> Other Visa documentation as required
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>AIRCRAFT DOCUMENTATION
    >> Airworthiness Certificate
    >>
    >> Registration certificate (not temporary certificate)
    >>
    >> Operating limitations
    >>
    >> Weight and balance information
    >>
    >> Experimental Aircraft and Canadian Ultralights-Standardized
    >>Validation (for ops in Canada) or Special Flight Authorization (for ops in
    >>US)
    >>
    >> Proof of Liability Insurance (required in Canada)
    >>
    >> FAA Form 337 (US aircraft only) or STC documentation if fuel
    >>tanks
    >>have been added in baggage or passenger compartments
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>DEPARTURE
    >>
    >>
    >> Give advance notification to Customs
    >>
    >> U.S. to Canada-contact Telephone Reporting Centre at 888-226-7277
    >>at least two hours but no more than 48 hours before arrival
    >>
    >> Canada to U.S.-telephone Customs office at Airport of Entry no
    >>less
    >>than two hours or more than 23 hours before arrival
    >>
    >> File and activate a VFR or IFR flight plan
    >>
    >> Advise Customs if any change in ETA at AOE via ATC/FSS while in
    >>flight, get badge number and name of Customs official that ATC/FSS speaks
    >>with
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>ARRIVAL
    >> Make first landing at an Airport of Entry (AOE)
    >>
    >> Taxi to Customs area on ramp
    >>
    >> In U.S.-Do not be early and no more than 15 minutes off ETA; wait
    >>for Customs official to motion you out of aircraft
    >>
    >> In Canada-if not met by Customs, find a telephone and call
    >>888-226-7277, follow directions from Customs official, obtain arrival
    >>report
    >>number
    >>
    >>If inspected, present documentation as required, fill out any declaration
    >>forms and pay appropriate duties and taxes
    >>
    >> DON'T FORGET TO CLOSE YOUR FLIGHT PLAN!
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>ENJOY YOUR FLIGHT TO CANADA OR THE UNITED STATES
    >>
    >>
    >>----- Original Message -----
    >>From: "Snodgrass, David L." <david.snodgrass@unisys.com>
    >>To: "Janet and Don Bateman" <batejd@porchlight.ca>; "Ed Fitchett"
    >><efitchett@sympatico.ca>; <musketeermail@yahoogroups.com>
    >>Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 11:51 PM
    >>Subject: RE: [inbox] [musketeermail] PEI Fly-In - FCC Radio Station
    >>License
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>I must be a little thick headed because I'm still seeing that a radio
    >>>license, at least the one for the pilot, is still needed when a U.S.
    >>>pilot/plane is flying in Canada. There will be two or three planes of us
    >>>flying through Canada on our way to Alaska starting June 17th. Time is
    >>>running out if we need either or both the radio license for the plane
    >>>and the one for the pilot. Any expert and definitive advise will be
    >>>greatly appreciated.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>David Snodgrass
    >>>BAC East Central Regional Director
    >>>Beech Be23 N6083N
    >>>North Manchester, IN
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>-----Original Message-----
    >>>From: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    >>>[mailto:musketeermail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Janet and Don
    >>>Bateman
    >>>Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 10:06 PM
    >>>To: Ed Fitchett; musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    >>>Subject: Re: [inbox] [musketeermail] PEI Fly-In - FCC Radio Station
    >>>License
    >>>
    >>>Click on this link for Canadian radio station licensing requirements.
    >>>http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/inter..._sf01775e.html
    >>> ----- Original Message -----
    >>> From: Ed Fitchett
    >>> To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    >>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 9:51 PM
    >>> Subject: Re: [inbox] [musketeermail] PEI Fly-In - FCC Radio Station
    >>>License
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Tim is right, as I posted here a few weeks ago on the subject,
    >>>Canadian Regs
    >>> no longer require a radio licence.
    >>>
    >>> Ed Fitchett
    >>> C-GBTC
    >>> Toronto - Canada
    >>>
    >>> ----- Original Message -----
    >>> From: "Tim Flight" <yahoo@systemfolder.com>
    >>> To: <musketeermail@yahoogroups.com>
    >>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 7:39 PM
    >>> Subject: [inbox] [musketeermail] PEI Fly-In - FCC Radio Station
    >>>License
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> > The topic of FCC Radio Station Licenses came up a few weeks ago in
    >>>regard
    >>> to the PEI Fly-In.
    >>> > For those that don't subscribe, this topic came up in AOPA ePilot
    >>>today.
    >>> >
    >>> > Q: I am planning to fly to Canada this summer and have heard that I
    >>> > need to get a Federal Communications Commission (FCC) license. I
    >>>could
    >>> > not find this requirement in the FAA regulations anywhere. Can AOPA
    >>>tell
    >>> > me the source of this information?
    >>> >
    >>> > A: The FCC and International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO)--not
    >>> > the FAA--outline the requirements for the FCC permits a pilot must
    >>>hold.
    >>> > Two separate references cover these requirements. FCC 47 CFR Part 87
    >>> Section
    >>> > 87.18 (
    >>>http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/w...7cfr87_04.html )
    >>> > relates to the aircraft radio station license. ICAO Annex 6,
    >>>Operation
    >>> > of Aircraft, Part 1, Chapter 9, Paragraph 9.1.2, requires the pilot
    >>>to
    >>> > hold a valid radio operator's license. While neither permit is
    >>>required
    >>> > for U.S. domestic purposes, both are required when flying outside
    >>>the
    >>> > United States. Read more about the FCC's aircraft radio station
    >>>license
    >>> > ( http://wireless.fcc.gov/aviation/fctsht4.html ) and about flying
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  5. #5

    PEI Fly-In - FCC Radio Station License

    They will come and visit you after 9/11, though before that I had never
    seen a customs agent, same as Carl. You called 1-888-CANPASS when you
    landed and they give you an authorization number and wish you a good
    stay in Canada.

    Carl Link wrote:

    >I have had the same experience as Bob. I've been to Canada several times
    >and never have heard the words "radio license". I would not worry about it.
    >When we entered at Lethbridge four years ago, we cleared customs remotely
    >over the phone. We never saw a live customs agent. Canada is a much more
    >relaxed place than the US.
    >
    >Carl Link
    >N3666Q
    >----- Original Message -----
    >From: "Bob Schmidt" <rgschmi@execpc.com>
    >To: "Ed Fitchett" <efitchett@sympatico.ca>
    >Cc: <musketeermail@yahoogroups.com>
    >Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 1:33 PM
    >Subject: Re: [musketeermail] PEI Fly-In - FCC Radio Station License
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >>I asked a Canadian Customs officer at Oshkosh a few years ago about the
    >>radio license. His reply was that he has done inspections with
    >>'extreme prejudice' and even then has never asked for a radio license.
    >>I have flown into Canada five times and have never been asked for it (or
    >>for anything else, either, for that matter). They do keep track of the
    >>aircraft and occupants, as last time I crossed I didn't have my
    >>passenger's birth date handy when I called customs. They said 'never
    >>mind, we already have it'.
    >>
    >>I would never tell anyone not to get the license if they feel the need,
    >>but I will continue to cross without one.
    >>
    >>Ed Fitchett wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>Tom ...keep this one handy in case needed for the radio licence issue.
    >>>Below
    >>>is the full transcript of the AOPA / COPA transborder (US to Canada /
    >>>Canada
    >>>to US) flight check-list (just off the website). Note: no mention anywhere
    >>>of the radio licence (because you don't need one!). The mention in the
    >>>regs
    >>>about needing one "outside Canada" is to pick up the need for one in case
    >>>any of us Canadians fly into a country that does.
    >>>
    >>>Ed Fitchett
    >>>C-GBTC
    >>>Toronto Canada
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>AOPA/COPA Checklist For Cross-Border Flight Operations
    >>>PREFLIGHT
    >>>
    >>> Appropriate charts and Flight Supplements
    >>>
    >>>PERSONAL DOCUMENTATION
    >>>
    >>> Pilot Certificate
    >>>
    >>> Medical Certificate
    >>>
    >>> Notarized letter authorizing children to fly in Canada/United
    >>>States (only if accompanied by one parent)
    >>>
    >>> Proof of citizenship
    >>>
    >>> Passport
    >>>
    >>> Birth certificate (original or certified true copy)
    >>>
    >>> Photo ID (required with birth certificate)
    >>>
    >>> Resident Alien ID Card
    >>>
    >>> Other Visa documentation as required
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>AIRCRAFT DOCUMENTATION
    >>> Airworthiness Certificate
    >>>
    >>> Registration certificate (not temporary certificate)
    >>>
    >>> Operating limitations
    >>>
    >>> Weight and balance information
    >>>
    >>> Experimental Aircraft and Canadian Ultralights-Standardized
    >>>Validation (for ops in Canada) or Special Flight Authorization (for ops in
    >>>US)
    >>>
    >>> Proof of Liability Insurance (required in Canada)
    >>>
    >>> FAA Form 337 (US aircraft only) or STC documentation if fuel
    >>>tanks
    >>>have been added in baggage or passenger compartments
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>DEPARTURE
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Give advance notification to Customs
    >>>
    >>> U.S. to Canada-contact Telephone Reporting Centre at 888-226-7277
    >>>at least two hours but no more than 48 hours before arrival
    >>>
    >>> Canada to U.S.-telephone Customs office at Airport of Entry no
    >>>less
    >>>than two hours or more than 23 hours before arrival
    >>>
    >>> File and activate a VFR or IFR flight plan
    >>>
    >>> Advise Customs if any change in ETA at AOE via ATC/FSS while in
    >>>flight, get badge number and name of Customs official that ATC/FSS speaks
    >>>with
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>ARRIVAL
    >>> Make first landing at an Airport of Entry (AOE)
    >>>
    >>> Taxi to Customs area on ramp
    >>>
    >>> In U.S.-Do not be early and no more than 15 minutes off ETA; wait
    >>>for Customs official to motion you out of aircraft
    >>>
    >>> In Canada-if not met by Customs, find a telephone and call
    >>>888-226-7277, follow directions from Customs official, obtain arrival
    >>>report
    >>>number
    >>>
    >>>If inspected, present documentation as required, fill out any declaration
    >>>forms and pay appropriate duties and taxes
    >>>
    >>> DON'T FORGET TO CLOSE YOUR FLIGHT PLAN!
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>ENJOY YOUR FLIGHT TO CANADA OR THE UNITED STATES
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>----- Original Message -----
    >>>From: "Snodgrass, David L." <david.snodgrass@unisys.com>
    >>>To: "Janet and Don Bateman" <batejd@porchlight.ca>; "Ed Fitchett"
    >>><efitchett@sympatico.ca>; <musketeermail@yahoogroups.com>
    >>>Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 11:51 PM
    >>>Subject: RE: [inbox] [musketeermail] PEI Fly-In - FCC Radio Station
    >>>License
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>I must be a little thick headed because I'm still seeing that a radio
    >>>>license, at least the one for the pilot, is still needed when a U.S.
    >>>>pilot/plane is flying in Canada. There will be two or three planes of us
    >>>>flying through Canada on our way to Alaska starting June 17th. Time is
    >>>>running out if we need either or both the radio license for the plane
    >>>>and the one for the pilot. Any expert and definitive advise will be
    >>>>greatly appreciated.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>David Snodgrass
    >>>>BAC East Central Regional Director
    >>>>Beech Be23 N6083N
    >>>>North Manchester, IN
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>-----Original Message-----
    >>>>From: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    >>>>[mailto:musketeermail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Janet and Don
    >>>>Bateman
    >>>>Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 10:06 PM
    >>>>To: Ed Fitchett; musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    >>>>Subject: Re: [inbox] [musketeermail] PEI Fly-In - FCC Radio Station
    >>>>License
    >>>>
    >>>>Click on this link for Canadian radio station licensing requirements.
    >>>>http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/inter..._sf01775e.html
    >>>> ----- Original Message -----
    >>>> From: Ed Fitchett
    >>>> To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    >>>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 9:51 PM
    >>>> Subject: Re: [inbox] [musketeermail] PEI Fly-In - FCC Radio Station
    >>>>License
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Tim is right, as I posted here a few weeks ago on the subject,
    >>>>Canadian Regs
    >>>> no longer require a radio licence.
    >>>>
    >>>> Ed Fitchett
    >>>> C-GBTC
    >>>> Toronto - Canada
    >>>>
    >>>> ----- Original Message -----
    >>>> From: "Tim Flight" <yahoo@systemfolder.com>
    >>>> To: <musketeermail@yahoogroups.com>
    >>>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 7:39 PM
    >>>> Subject: [inbox] [musketeermail] PEI Fly-In - FCC Radio Station
    >>>>License
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> > The topic of FCC Radio Station Licenses came up a few weeks ago in
    >>>>regard
    >>>> to the PEI Fly-In.
    >>>> > For those that don't subscribe, this topic came up in AOPA ePilot
    >>>>today.
    >>>> >
    >>>> > Q: I am planning to fly to Canada this summer and have heard that I
    >>>> > need to get a Federal Communications Commission (FCC) license. I
    >>>>could
    >>>> > not find this requirement in the FAA regulations anywhere. Can AOPA
    >>>>tell
    >>>> > me the source of this information?
    >>>> >
    >>>> > A: The FCC and International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO)--not
    >>>> > the FAA--outline the requirements for the FCC permits a pilot must
    >>>>hold.
    >>>> > Two separate references cover these requirements. FCC 47 CFR Part 87
    >>>> Section
    >>>> > 87.18 (
    >>>>http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/w...7cfr87_04.html )
    >>>> > relates to the aircraft radio station license. ICAO Annex 6,
    >>>>Operation
    >>>> > of Aircraft, Part 1, Chapter 9, Paragraph 9.1.2, requires the pilot
    >>>>to
    >>>> > hold a valid radio operator's license. While neither permit is
    >>>>required
    >>>> > for U.S. domestic purposes, both are required when flying outside
    >>>>the
    >>>> > United States. Read more about the FCC's aircraft radio station
    >>>>license
    >>>> > ( http://wireless.fcc.gov/aviation/fctsht4.html ) and about flying
    >>>>to
    >>>> > Canada ( http://www.aopa.org/members/files/tr...da/index2.html
    >>>>).
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