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  1. #1

    Action required: 0005268 - INFO.IC Enquiry

    Here's the definitive answer from Canada on what licenses are required when traveling from the U.S. to Canada. Whether these laws are enforced is another question. If the Alaska Gang is planning on flying to Russia, both licenses will definitely be required anyway - $$


    David Snodgrass
    BAC East Central Regional Director
    Beech Be23 N6083N
    North Manchester, IN




    ________________________________

    From: Steckly, Gary: DGRB [mailto:Steckly.Gary@ic.gc.ca]
    Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:05 AM
    To: Snodgrass, David L.
    Cc: Duford, Lee: #CIO - BPI; Cepella, Rob: DGRB
    Subject: RE: Action required: 0005268 - INFO.IC Enquiry
    Importance: High



    Dear Mr. Snodgrass,

    According to international law, (ref. article 37.1 of the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) regulations) you will require both a restricted radio operator certificate as well as a radio licence (see references below) :

    37.1 § 1 1) The service of every aircraft station and every aircraft earth station shall
    be controlled by an operator holding a certificate issued or recognized by the government to
    which the station is subject. Provided the station is so controlled, other persons besides the
    holder of the certificate may use the radiotelephone equipment.

    Also, with respect to a radio licence, the International Telecommunications Union regulations state in article 18:

    18.1 § 1 1) No transmitting station may be established or operated by a private
    person or by any enterprise without a licence issued in an appropriate form and in conformity
    with the provisions of these Regulations by or on behalf of the government of the country to
    which the station in question is subject (however, see Nos. 18.2, 18.8 and 18.11).

    18.8 § 5 1) In the case of a new registration of a ship or aircraft in circumstances
    where delay is likely to occur in the issue of a licence by the country in which it is to be
    registered, the administration of the country from which the mobile station or mobile earth
    station wishes to make its voyage or flight may, at the request of the operating company, issue a
    certificate to the effect that the station complies with these Regulations. This certificate, drawn
    up in a form determined by the issuing administration, shall give the particulars mentioned in
    No. 18.6 and shall be valid only for the duration of the voyage or flight to the country in which
    the registration of the ship or aircraft will be effected, or for a period of three months, whichever
    is less.

    (I have included the reference to 18.2 and 18.8 as they pertain to aeronautical licences, although they are not pertinent to your situation since Canada and the United states do not have an agreement as stipulated in 18.8, and 18.11 applies only to instances of hire, lease or interchange of aircraft.)

    If you need additional information relating to this matter or any other question relating to radio spectrum management or radio operator certification in Canada, please feel free to contact me directly.

    Best regards

    Gary Steckly
    Technical Policy Analyst
    Radiocommunications and Broadcasting Regulatory Branch
    steckly.gary@ic.gc.ca
    Tel | Téléphone (613) 990-4742
    Fax | Télécopieur (613) 991-3514
    Industry Canada 300 Slater St. Ottawa ON K1A 0C8
    Industrie Canada 300, rue Slater Ottawa ON K1A 0C8
    Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada
    http://strategis.gc.ca/spectrum






    -----Original Message-----
    From: Cepella, Rob: DGRB
    Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:13 AM
    To: Steckly, Gary: DGRB
    Cc: Duford, Lee: #CIO - BPI
    Subject: FW: Action required: 0005268 - INFO.IC Enquiry

    Gary - might you be able to respond to this enquiry?
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Lee Duford
    Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:08 AM
    To: Cepella, Rob: DGRB
    Subject: Action required: 0005268 - INFO.IC Enquiry

    Hi Rob:
    I am not sure which district office to refer client to if he originates from the U.S. Can you help me? Thanks. Before we used to send these type of requests to HQ.

    Here is an enquiry for which your assistance is required.
    In an effort to meet our service standard of providing a resolution to client inquiries by the end of the next business day, we ask that you respond to our information request within 24 hours. If this is not possible, please advise us and indicate when a response may be available, so that we can advise the client.

    Lee Duford
    INFO.IC Help Desk
    Industry Canada
    803-280 Albert Street
    Ottawa, Ontario K1P 5G8
    Tel: (613) 954-5031 Fax: (613) 954-1894
    Toll Free: 1-800-328-6189
    TTY: 1-866-694-8389
    http://www.ic.gc.ca
    -----Client's Enquiry (2005-05-17)-----
    ----- Client Information -----
    Sal: Mr.
    First Name: David
    Last Name: Snodgrass
    Email: david.snodgrass@unisys.com
    Telephone: 260 9827063 ext:
    Fax: 260 9827667
    Address: 106 River Cove
    City: North Manchester
    Prov/State: Indiana
    Postal / Zip Code: 46962
    Country: United States
    Organisation: DavidSnodgrass
    Line of Business: Individual
    IP Address: 170.145.201.33
    Aircraft Radio Operator and Aircraft Radio Licence
    I'll be traveling to Canada from the U.S. in my own airplane this Summer. Do I
    need to have a U.S. issued Aircraft Radio Operator and/or a Aircraft Radio
    License?
    Thank you for your time and assistance.
    Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; H01081
    Referring URL: http://www.ic.gc.ca/cmb/welcomeic.nsf



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    Action required: 0005268 - INFO.IC Enquiry

    Interesting to me is what COPA & AOPA have as guidelines, as
    mentioned by Ed F. No mention of this international mumbo jumbo
    licence requirement.

    Jon

    Tom ...keep this one handy in case needed for the radio licence
    issue. Below is the full transcript of the AOPA / COPA transborder (US
    to Canada / Canada to US) flight check-list (just off the website).
    Note: no mention anywhere of the radio licence (because you don't need
    one!). The mention in the regs about needing one "outside Canada" is
    to pick up the need for one in case any of us Canadians fly into a
    country that does.

    Ed Fitchett
    C-GBTC
    Toronto Canada


    AOPA/COPA Checklist For Cross-Border Flight Operations
    PREFLIGHT
    · Appropriate charts and Flight Supplements
    PERSONAL DOCUMENTATION
    · Pilot Certificate
    · Medical Certificate
    · Notarized letter authorizing children to fly in Canada/United
    States (only if accompanied by one parent)
    · Proof of citizenship
    · Passport
    · Birth certificate (original or certified true copy)
    · Photo ID (required with birth certificate)
    · Resident Alien ID Card
    · Other Visa documentation as required

    AIRCRAFT DOCUMENTATION
    · Airworthiness Certificate
    · Registration certificate (not temporary certificate)
    · Operating limitations
    · Weight and balance information
    · Experimental Aircraft and Canadian Ultralights-Standardized
    Validation (for ops in Canada) or Special Flight Authorization
    (for ops in US)
    · Proof of Liability Insurance (required in Canada)
    · FAA Form 337 (US aircraft only) or STC documentation if fuel tanks
    have been added in baggage or passenger compartments

    DEPARTURE
    · Give advance notification to Customs
    · U.S. to Canada-contact Telephone Reporting Centre at 888-226-7277
    at least two hours but no more than 48 hours before arrival
    · Canada to U.S.-telephone Customs office at Airport of Entry no less
    than two hours or more than 23 hours before arrival
    · File and activate a VFR or IFR flight plan
    · Advise Customs if any change in ETA at AOE via ATC/FSS while in
    flight, get badge number and name of Customs official that
    ATC/FSS speaks with.

    ARRIVAL
    · Make first landing at an Airport of Entry (AOE)
    · Taxi to Customs area on ramp
    · In U.S.-Do not be early and no more than 15 minutes off ETA; wait
    for Customs official to motion you out of aircraft

    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Snodgrass, David L."
    <david.snodgrass@u...> wrote:
    > Here's the definitive answer from Canada on what licenses are
    required when traveling from the U.S. to Canada. Whether these laws
    are enforced is another question. If the Alaska Gang is planning on
    flying to Russia, both licenses will definitely be required anyway - $$

    > David Snodgrass
    > BAC East Central Regional Director
    > Beech Be23 N6083N
    > North Manchester, IN
    > ________________________________
    >
    > From: Steckly, Gary: DGRB [mailto:Steckly.Gary@i...]
    > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:05 AM
    > To: Snodgrass, David L.
    > Cc: Duford, Lee: #CIO - BPI; Cepella, Rob: DGRB
    > Subject: RE: Action required: 0005268 - INFO.IC Enquiry
    > Importance: High
    >
    Dear Mr. Snodgrass,
    >
    > According to international law, (ref. article 37.1 of the
    International Telecommunications Union (ITU) regulations) you will
    require both a restricted radio operator certificate as well as a
    radio licence (see references below) :
    >
    > 37.1 § 1 1) The service of every aircraft station and every aircraft
    earth station shall
    > be controlled by an operator holding a certificate issued or
    recognized by the government to
    > which the station is subject. Provided the station is so controlled,
    other persons besides the
    > holder of the certificate may use the radiotelephone equipment.
    >
    > Also, with respect to a radio licence, the International
    Telecommunications Union regulations state in article 18:
    >
    > 18.1 § 1 1) No transmitting station may be established or operated
    by a private
    > person or by any enterprise without a licence issued in an
    appropriate form and in conformity
    > with the provisions of these Regulations by or on behalf of the
    government of the country to
    > which the station in question is subject (however, see Nos. 18.2,
    18.8 and 18.11).
    >
    > 18.8 § 5 1) In the case of a new registration of a ship or aircraft
    in circumstances
    > where delay is likely to occur in the issue of a licence by the
    country in which it is to be
    > registered, the administration of the country from which the mobile
    station or mobile earth
    > station wishes to make its voyage or flight may, at the request of
    the operating company, issue a
    > certificate to the effect that the station complies with these
    Regulations. This certificate, drawn
    > up in a form determined by the issuing administration, shall give
    the particulars mentioned in
    > No. 18.6 and shall be valid only for the duration of the voyage or
    flight to the country in which
    > the registration of the ship or aircraft will be effected, or for a
    period of three months, whichever
    > is less.
    >
    > (I have included the reference to 18.2 and 18.8 as they pertain to
    aeronautical licences, although they are not pertinent to your
    situation since Canada and the United states do not have an agreement
    as stipulated in 18.8, and 18.11 applies only to instances of hire,
    lease or interchange of aircraft.)
    >
    > If you need additional information relating to this matter or any
    other question relating to radio spectrum management or radio operator
    certification in Canada, please feel free to contact me directly.
    >
    > Best regards
    >
    > Gary Steckly
    > Technical Policy Analyst
    > Radiocommunications and Broadcasting Regulatory Branch
    > steckly.gary@i...
    > Tel | Téléphone (613) 990-4742
    > Fax | Télécopieur (613) 991-3514
    > Industry Canada 300 Slater St. Ottawa ON K1A 0C8
    > Industrie Canada 300, rue Slater Ottawa ON K1A 0C8
    > Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada
    > http://strategis.gc.ca/spectrum
    >
    >
    -----Original Message-----
    > From: Cepella, Rob: DGRB
    > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:13 AM
    > To: Steckly, Gary: DGRB
    > Cc: Duford, Lee: #CIO - BPI
    > Subject: FW: Action required: 0005268 - INFO.IC Enquiry
    >
    > Gary - might you be able to respond to this enquiry?
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Lee Duford
    > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:08 AM
    > To: Cepella, Rob: DGRB
    > Subject: Action required: 0005268 - INFO.IC Enquiry
    >
    > Hi Rob:
    > I am not sure which district office to refer client to if he
    originates from the U.S. Can you help me? Thanks. Before we used to
    send these type of requests to HQ.
    >
    > Here is an enquiry for which your assistance is required.
    > In an effort to meet our service standard of providing a resolution
    to client inquiries by the end of the next business day, we ask that
    you respond to our information request within 24 hours. If this is
    not possible, please advise us and indicate when a response may be
    available, so that we can advise the client.
    >
    > Lee Duford
    > INFO.IC Help Desk
    > Industry Canada
    > 803-280 Albert Street
    > Ottawa, Ontario K1P 5G8
    > Tel: (613) 954-5031 Fax: (613) 954-1894
    > Toll Free: 1-800-328-6189
    > TTY: 1-866-694-8389
    > http://www.ic.gc.ca
    > -----Client's Enquiry (2005-05-17)-----
    > ----- Client Information -----
    > Sal: Mr.
    > First Name: David
    > Last Name: Snodgrass
    > Email: david.snodgrass@u...
    > Telephone: 260 9827063 ext:
    > Fax: 260 9827667
    > Address: 106 River Cove
    > City: North Manchester
    > Prov/State: Indiana
    > Postal / Zip Code: 46962
    > Country: United States
    > Organisation: DavidSnodgrass
    > Line of Business: Individual
    > IP Address: 170.145.201.33
    > Aircraft Radio Operator and Aircraft Radio Licence
    > I'll be traveling to Canada from the U.S. in my own airplane this
    Summer. Do I
    > need to have a U.S. issued Aircraft Radio Operator and/or a
    Aircraft Radio
    > License?
    > Thank you for your time and assistance.
    > Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; H01081
    > Referring URL: http://www.ic.gc.ca/cmb/welcomeic.nsf
    >
    >
    >
    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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