Action required: 0005268 - INFO.IC Enquiry

[dls364]

Here's the definitive answer from Canada on what licenses are required when traveling from the U.S. to Canada. Whether these laws are enforced is another question. If the Alaska Gang is planning on flying to Russia, both licenses will definitely be required anyway - $$


David Snodgrass
BAC East Central Regional Director
Beech Be23 N6083N
North Manchester, IN




________________________________

From: Steckly, Gary: DGRB [mailto:Steckly.Gary@ic.gc.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:05 AM
To: Snodgrass, David L.
Cc: Duford, Lee: #CIO - BPI; Cepella, Rob: DGRB
Subject: RE: Action required: 0005268 - INFO.IC Enquiry
Importance: High



Dear Mr. Snodgrass,

According to international law, (ref. article 37.1 of the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) regulations) you will require both a restricted radio operator certificate as well as a radio licence (see references below) :

37.1 § 1 1) The service of every aircraft station and every aircraft earth station shall
be controlled by an operator holding a certificate issued or recognized by the government to
which the station is subject. Provided the station is so controlled, other persons besides the
holder of the certificate may use the radiotelephone equipment.

Also, with respect to a radio licence, the International Telecommunications Union regulations state in article 18:

18.1 § 1 1) No transmitting station may be established or operated by a private
person or by any enterprise without a licence issued in an appropriate form and in conformity
with the provisions of these Regulations by or on behalf of the government of the country to
which the station in question is subject (however, see Nos. 18.2, 18.8 and 18.11).

18.8 § 5 1) In the case of a new registration of a ship or aircraft in circumstances
where delay is likely to occur in the issue of a licence by the country in which it is to be
registered, the administration of the country from which the mobile station or mobile earth
station wishes to make its voyage or flight may, at the request of the operating company, issue a
certificate to the effect that the station complies with these Regulations. This certificate, drawn
up in a form determined by the issuing administration, shall give the particulars mentioned in
No. 18.6 and shall be valid only for the duration of the voyage or flight to the country in which
the registration of the ship or aircraft will be effected, or for a period of three months, whichever
is less.

(I have included the reference to 18.2 and 18.8 as they pertain to aeronautical licences, although they are not pertinent to your situation since Canada and the United states do not have an agreement as stipulated in 18.8, and 18.11 applies only to instances of hire, lease or interchange of aircraft.)

If you need additional information relating to this matter or any other question relating to radio spectrum management or radio operator certification in Canada, please feel free to contact me directly.

Best regards

Gary Steckly
Technical Policy Analyst
Radiocommunications and Broadcasting Regulatory Branch
steckly.gary@ic.gc.ca
Tel | Téléphone (613) 990-4742
Fax | Télécopieur (613) 991-3514
Industry Canada 300 Slater St. Ottawa ON K1A 0C8
Industrie Canada 300, rue Slater Ottawa ON K1A 0C8
Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada
http://strategis.gc.ca/spectrum






-----Original Message-----
From: Cepella, Rob: DGRB
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:13 AM
To: Steckly, Gary: DGRB
Cc: Duford, Lee: #CIO - BPI
Subject: FW: Action required: 0005268 - INFO.IC Enquiry

Gary - might you be able to respond to this enquiry?
-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Duford
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:08 AM
To: Cepella, Rob: DGRB
Subject: Action required: 0005268 - INFO.IC Enquiry

Hi Rob:
I am not sure which district office to refer client to if he originates from the U.S. Can you help me? Thanks. Before we used to send these type of requests to HQ.

Here is an enquiry for which your assistance is required.
In an effort to meet our service standard of providing a resolution to client inquiries by the end of the next business day, we ask that you respond to our information request within 24 hours. If this is not possible, please advise us and indicate when a response may be available, so that we can advise the client.

Lee Duford
INFO.IC Help Desk
Industry Canada
803-280 Albert Street
Ottawa, Ontario K1P 5G8
Tel: (613) 954-5031 Fax: (613) 954-1894
Toll Free: 1-800-328-6189
TTY: 1-866-694-8389
http://www.ic.gc.ca
-----Client's Enquiry (2005-05-17)-----
----- Client Information -----
Sal: Mr.
First Name: David
Last Name: Snodgrass
Email: david.snodgrass@unisys.com
Telephone: 260 9827063 ext:
Fax: 260 9827667
Address: 106 River Cove
City: North Manchester
Prov/State: Indiana
Postal / Zip Code: 46962
Country: United States
Organisation: DavidSnodgrass
Line of Business: Individual
IP Address: 170.145.201.33
Aircraft Radio Operator and Aircraft Radio Licence
I'll be traveling to Canada from the U.S. in my own airplane this Summer. Do I
need to have a U.S. issued Aircraft Radio Operator and/or a Aircraft Radio
License?
Thank you for your time and assistance.
Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; H01081
Referring URL: http://www.ic.gc.ca/cmb/welcomeic.nsf



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[simik]

Interesting to me is what COPA & AOPA have as guidelines, as
mentioned by Ed F. No mention of this international mumbo jumbo
licence requirement.

Jon

Tom ...keep this one handy in case needed for the radio licence
issue. Below is the full transcript of the AOPA / COPA transborder (US
to Canada / Canada to US) flight check-list (just off the website).
Note: no mention anywhere of the radio licence (because you don't need
one!). The mention in the regs about needing one "outside Canada" is
to pick up the need for one in case any of us Canadians fly into a
country that does.

Ed Fitchett
C-GBTC
Toronto Canada


AOPA/COPA Checklist For Cross-Border Flight Operations
PREFLIGHT
· Appropriate charts and Flight Supplements
PERSONAL DOCUMENTATION
· Pilot Certificate
· Medical Certificate
· Notarized letter authorizing children to fly in Canada/United
States (only if accompanied by one parent)
· Proof of citizenship
· Passport
· Birth certificate (original or certified true copy)
· Photo ID (required with birth certificate)
· Resident Alien ID Card
· Other Visa documentation as required

AIRCRAFT DOCUMENTATION
· Airworthiness Certificate
· Registration certificate (not temporary certificate)
· Operating limitations
· Weight and balance information
· Experimental Aircraft and Canadian Ultralights-Standardized
Validation (for ops in Canada) or Special Flight Authorization
(for ops in US)
· Proof of Liability Insurance (required in Canada)
· FAA Form 337 (US aircraft only) or STC documentation if fuel tanks
have been added in baggage or passenger compartments

DEPARTURE
· Give advance notification to Customs
· U.S. to Canada-contact Telephone Reporting Centre at 888-226-7277
at least two hours but no more than 48 hours before arrival
· Canada to U.S.-telephone Customs office at Airport of Entry no less
than two hours or more than 23 hours before arrival
· File and activate a VFR or IFR flight plan
· Advise Customs if any change in ETA at AOE via ATC/FSS while in
flight, get badge number and name of Customs official that
ATC/FSS speaks with.

ARRIVAL
· Make first landing at an Airport of Entry (AOE)
· Taxi to Customs area on ramp
· In U.S.-Do not be early and no more than 15 minutes off ETA; wait
for Customs official to motion you out of aircraft

--- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Snodgrass, David L."
<david.snodgrass@u...> wrote:
> Here's the definitive answer from Canada on what licenses are
required when traveling from the U.S. to Canada. Whether these laws
are enforced is another question. If the Alaska Gang is planning on
flying to Russia, both licenses will definitely be required anyway - $$

> David Snodgrass
> BAC East Central Regional Director
> Beech Be23 N6083N
> North Manchester, IN
> ________________________________
>
> From: Steckly, Gary: DGRB [mailto:Steckly.Gary@i...]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:05 AM
> To: Snodgrass, David L.
> Cc: Duford, Lee: #CIO - BPI; Cepella, Rob: DGRB
> Subject: RE: Action required: 0005268 - INFO.IC Enquiry
> Importance: High
>
Dear Mr. Snodgrass,
>
> According to international law, (ref. article 37.1 of the
International Telecommunications Union (ITU) regulations) you will
require both a restricted radio operator certificate as well as a
radio licence (see references below) :
>
> 37.1 § 1 1) The service of every aircraft station and every aircraft
earth station shall
> be controlled by an operator holding a certificate issued or
recognized by the government to
> which the station is subject. Provided the station is so controlled,
other persons besides the
> holder of the certificate may use the radiotelephone equipment.
>
> Also, with respect to a radio licence, the International
Telecommunications Union regulations state in article 18:
>
> 18.1 § 1 1) No transmitting station may be established or operated
by a private
> person or by any enterprise without a licence issued in an
appropriate form and in conformity
> with the provisions of these Regulations by or on behalf of the
government of the country to
> which the station in question is subject (however, see Nos. 18.2,
18.8 and 18.11).
>
> 18.8 § 5 1) In the case of a new registration of a ship or aircraft
in circumstances
> where delay is likely to occur in the issue of a licence by the
country in which it is to be
> registered, the administration of the country from which the mobile
station or mobile earth
> station wishes to make its voyage or flight may, at the request of
the operating company, issue a
> certificate to the effect that the station complies with these
Regulations. This certificate, drawn
> up in a form determined by the issuing administration, shall give
the particulars mentioned in
> No. 18.6 and shall be valid only for the duration of the voyage or
flight to the country in which
> the registration of the ship or aircraft will be effected, or for a
period of three months, whichever
> is less.
>
> (I have included the reference to 18.2 and 18.8 as they pertain to
aeronautical licences, although they are not pertinent to your
situation since Canada and the United states do not have an agreement
as stipulated in 18.8, and 18.11 applies only to instances of hire,
lease or interchange of aircraft.)
>
> If you need additional information relating to this matter or any
other question relating to radio spectrum management or radio operator
certification in Canada, please feel free to contact me directly.
>
> Best regards
>
> Gary Steckly
> Technical Policy Analyst
> Radiocommunications and Broadcasting Regulatory Branch
> steckly.gary@i...
> Tel | Téléphone (613) 990-4742
> Fax | Télécopieur (613) 991-3514
> Industry Canada 300 Slater St. Ottawa ON K1A 0C8
> Industrie Canada 300, rue Slater Ottawa ON K1A 0C8
> Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada
> http://strategis.gc.ca/spectrum
>
>
-----Original Message-----
> From: Cepella, Rob: DGRB
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:13 AM
> To: Steckly, Gary: DGRB
> Cc: Duford, Lee: #CIO - BPI
> Subject: FW: Action required: 0005268 - INFO.IC Enquiry
>
> Gary - might you be able to respond to this enquiry?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee Duford
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:08 AM
> To: Cepella, Rob: DGRB
> Subject: Action required: 0005268 - INFO.IC Enquiry
>
> Hi Rob:
> I am not sure which district office to refer client to if he
originates from the U.S. Can you help me? Thanks. Before we used to
send these type of requests to HQ.
>
> Here is an enquiry for which your assistance is required.
> In an effort to meet our service standard of providing a resolution
to client inquiries by the end of the next business day, we ask that
you respond to our information request within 24 hours. If this is
not possible, please advise us and indicate when a response may be
available, so that we can advise the client.
>
> Lee Duford
> INFO.IC Help Desk
> Industry Canada
> 803-280 Albert Street
> Ottawa, Ontario K1P 5G8
> Tel: (613) 954-5031 Fax: (613) 954-1894
> Toll Free: 1-800-328-6189
> TTY: 1-866-694-8389
> http://www.ic.gc.ca
> -----Client's Enquiry (2005-05-17)-----
> ----- Client Information -----
> Sal: Mr.
> First Name: David
> Last Name: Snodgrass
> Email: david.snodgrass@u...
> Telephone: 260 9827063 ext:
> Fax: 260 9827667
> Address: 106 River Cove
> City: North Manchester
> Prov/State: Indiana
> Postal / Zip Code: 46962
> Country: United States
> Organisation: DavidSnodgrass
> Line of Business: Individual
> IP Address: 170.145.201.33
> Aircraft Radio Operator and Aircraft Radio Licence
> I'll be traveling to Canada from the U.S. in my own airplane this
Summer. Do I
> need to have a U.S. issued Aircraft Radio Operator and/or a
Aircraft Radio
> License?
> Thank you for your time and assistance.
> Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; H01081
> Referring URL: http://www.ic.gc.ca/cmb/welcomeic.nsf
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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