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  1. #1

    Bird Clean Up

    My advice:
    1.. Spray it with as much water as it takes to get every trace of bird residue completely out. That includes the mud-like stuff, straw fragments, etc. All that stuff will prove to be highly corrosive over time; far more so than the water used to get it out. It will also keep clogging drain holes, if not completely removed. Just don't use any non-aircraft cleaners in the water. ZEP and other aviation airframe cleaners would probably help a lot to get everything clean.
    2.. After the thorough interior wash/spraying/rinsing, make sure the plane is safe, then take it up for a long and high flight. An hour at ten thousand feet ought to do it, or as high as you can get it. This is the only method that will thoroughly dry out the plane. The very dry air at altitude coupled with the high airstream movement throughout the plane does the trick.
    3.. As soon as you can after landing, before any condensation or rain can get to it, thoroughly treat it with Corrosion X or ACF-50. You can do it yourself with a half-dozen cans and a lot of labor, or you can pay to have it done professionally, where their fogging sprayers and long wands will achieve more interior surface coverage faster. These products have a characteristic called "molecular creep", and will climb vertical surfaces to coat everything. They will also creep out through riveted lap joints over a period of months, so don't be surprised to see "weeping" at lap joints for months. It is a good thing, even though it has to be wiped off, as the weeping means it is doing its job.
    4.. After the corrosion-proofing, make sure all the control cable pulleys, bellcranks, flap linkage, etc. get a squirt of LPS-2 spray oil in the bearings.
    Best of luck. This should take care of it, with no long-term problems.


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: James F. Girgenti
    To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 10:46 AM
    Subject: [musketeermail] Bird Clean Up


    I need some addvice. This week my son and I went to the airport(MJX)
    and washed and polished his Sport. Every thing looks great! We started
    a pre-flight and heard noises in the plane. We opened the rear
    inspection plates and found the tail packed with nesting material. We
    removed the nest but the birds were in the plane. So out came the seats
    and everything else. We got the birds to leave (4 live one dead). The
    stink was bad and a mess was all the way to the rear of the front seat
    or wing root. The birds left droppings, dirt and anything they could
    carry in to the bottom of the fuselage. Some water mixed with the mess
    and made a type of mud. We cleaned the drain holes to let the water out
    and dried and removed all that we could get.We will wait for it to dry
    and vaccuume the rest out. My question is could or should we spray the
    inside bottom of the fuselage to get the mud like mix out? Or what have
    others done to clean up and corrossion protect, We have made tailcone
    opening covers and nose geag opening covers. Now that the drains are
    open will carefully spraying water hurt? The mess is at the low points
    the length of the fuselage. Need help!
    Jim G.

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  2. #2

    Bird Clean Up

    We put a real stuffed owl in our hanger once to scare off birds, damned
    birds picked the feathers off the owl to make nests. I don't even want to
    know what else they might have done to the owl. we finally found leaving a
    radio playing kept birds out.



    Randy

    Sundowner N4345W





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    From: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:musketeermail@yahoogroups.com]
    On Behalf Of Joseph R Surowiec
    Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 8:29 PM
    To: Peter Le Lievre; musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: RE: [musketeermail] Re: Bird Clean Up



    Hi All. Had the same problems with the birds.

    Walmart sells the swimming noodles. Cellulose foam, in very bright colors. I
    purchased an orange one (safety cone orange). Take a kitchen knife, and
    start cutting. Keep the wedges long. It makes them easier to spot and
    remove. They don't leave any color residue behind, and are bendable enough
    to fill all of the crevices. Figured it costs about 4 bucks to protect an
    entire plane.


    Also, my wife just reminded me about the Owls. We picked up 3 plastic owls
    (once again, walmart) They do work. You just have to keep repositioning them
    about every week or so. I filled mine with mortar, and mounted them on 2 X 2
    pieces of plywood. Keeps them from blowing over.

    Hope this helps...

    Joe Surowiec
    N5954s
    66 A23-19
    FWN (Sussex, NJ)

    -----Original Message-----
    From: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    [mailto:musketeermail@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Peter Le Lievre
    Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 5:50 PM
    To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [musketeermail] Re: Bird Clean Up


    Jim,

    Like you I have the same bird problem. The birds get in through the
    rear stabilator cone and set up home in the aft fuselage. I am writing
    because I think this is a safety issue for all Musketeer owners in that
    bird poop all over the control wires and fuse shell does nothing to
    improve the metallurgy. Based on what it does to the paintwork of my
    car (another problem) I think it must be extremely corrosive.

    I have eliminated the problem by not using the Beech control lock pin
    but instead using the seatbelt to tie the control column fully out.
    (Most Piper/Cessna owners have to do this!). This lifts the stabilator
    and blocks the fuselage bulkhead aperture enough so the birds cant get
    in. Another way (not tried by me) would be to make a foam block wedge
    to fit on the stabilator cross beam and block the fuse cone apertures.
    Use very soft closed cell (non absorbent) foam and dont forget to red
    flag it so its taken out at preflight!

    As for the cleanup I vacuumed but havent treated the area. Normally raw
    aluminium selaing is done with Alodine to stop corrosion but not sure
    what to to here. There is quite a bit of laminated Beechcraft honeycomb
    stiffening the fuse sides in this area so be careful what you put in so
    as not to affect the bond of the composite with vapors or whatever.

    Normally birds like to cause havoc in the engine spaces (nest fire
    hazard) but good to see not only Australian birds feel homey down
    (under) the back.

    Peter Le Lievre
    MB336
    1968 19A
    Bankstown, Australia





    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "James F. Girgenti"
    <jamesfgirgenti@y...> wrote:
    > I need some addvice. This week my son and I went to the airport(MJX)
    >





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  3. #3

    Bird Clean Up

    http://www.planecover.com sells a tail cone cover for our planes. I
    have one and so far it has done the job.

    Best regards,

    Steve Robertson
    N4732J 1967 Super III

    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Le Lievre"
    <peter.lelievre@t...> wrote:
    > Jim,
    >
    > Like you I have the same bird problem. The birds get in through the
    > rear stabilator cone and set up home in the aft fuselage. I am
    writing
    > because I think this is a safety issue for all Musketeer owners in
    that
    > bird poop all over the control wires and fuse shell does nothing to
    > improve the metallurgy. Based on what it does to the paintwork of
    my
    > car (another problem) I think it must be extremely corrosive.
    >
    > I have eliminated the problem by not using the Beech control lock
    pin
    > but instead using the seatbelt to tie the control column fully out.
    > (Most Piper/Cessna owners have to do this!). This lifts the
    stabilator
    > and blocks the fuselage bulkhead aperture enough so the birds cant
    get
    > in. Another way (not tried by me) would be to make a foam block
    wedge
    > to fit on the stabilator cross beam and block the fuse cone
    apertures.
    > Use very soft closed cell (non absorbent) foam and dont forget to
    red
    > flag it so its taken out at preflight!
    >
    > As for the cleanup I vacuumed but havent treated the area. Normally
    raw
    > aluminium selaing is done with Alodine to stop corrosion but not
    sure
    > what to to here. There is quite a bit of laminated Beechcraft
    honeycomb
    > stiffening the fuse sides in this area so be careful what you put
    in so
    > as not to affect the bond of the composite with vapors or whatever.
    >
    > Normally birds like to cause havoc in the engine spaces (nest fire
    > hazard) but good to see not only Australian birds feel homey down
    > (under) the back.
    >
    > Peter Le Lievre
    > MB336
    > 1968 19A
    > Bankstown, Australia
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "James F. Girgenti"
    > <jamesfgirgenti@y...> wrote:
    > > I need some addvice. This week my son and I went to the airport
    (MJX)
    > >




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