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  1. #1

    Nose wheel stuff

    Group,

    I saw the wooden brace someone used on BAC photo to hold up the front
    of the plane while working on the nose wheel and or donuts. I have a
    friend in the next hangar who has a portable auto engine lifter. It is
    use to take car engines out of cars. Can anyone see any reason I could
    not use this to hold up the front of the plane while working on the
    nose gear?

    Thanks

    Al





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  2. #2

    Nose wheel stuff

    Al, since your engine pulls your plane around by the
    engine mount, I don't see why you can't do the same
    thing with your motor hoist. Maybe I'm missing
    something too?

    Jay

    --- Al ODonnell <sundowner6699x@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > Group,
    >
    > I saw the wooden brace someone used on BAC photo to
    > hold up the front
    > of the plane while working on the nose wheel and or
    > donuts. I have a
    > friend in the next hangar who has a portable auto
    > engine lifter. It is
    > use to take car engines out of cars. Can anyone see
    > any reason I could
    > not use this to hold up the front of the plane while
    > working on the
    > nose gear?
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > Al
    >
    >
    >
    >




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  3. #3

    Nose wheel stuff

    Just make sure you use the lifting rings on the engine. Do not fasten hooks to any of the engine mount tubing. It is strong enough only as a unit; the individual tubes are surprisingly sensitive to impact damage and bending.

    You can only do this to rock the plane fore and aft on the main gear, to raise the nose wheel clear of the ground. Do not try to fasten the tail and lift the mains clear by using the engine. In flight the wings support the plane's weight; the engine just pulls it with x number of pounds of thrust. That thrust line is almost straight forward, not upward, and doesn't begin to equal the weight of the plane.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: James Bruce
    To: Al ODonnell ; musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:16 PM
    Subject: Re: [musketeermail] Nose wheel stuff


    Al, since your engine pulls your plane around by the
    engine mount, I don't see why you can't do the same
    thing with your motor hoist. Maybe I'm missing
    something too?

    Jay

    --- Al ODonnell <sundowner6699x@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > Group,
    >
    > I saw the wooden brace someone used on BAC photo to
    > hold up the front
    > of the plane while working on the nose wheel and or
    > donuts. I have a
    > friend in the next hangar who has a portable auto
    > engine lifter. It is
    > use to take car engines out of cars. Can anyone see
    > any reason I could
    > not use this to hold up the front of the plane while
    > working on the
    > nose gear?
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > Al
    >
    >
    >
    >




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  4. #4

    Nose wheel stuff

    On Mon Aug 29 17:57 , 'Al ODonnell' <sundowner6699x@yahoo.com> sent:

    I have a friend in the next hangar who has a portable auto engine lifter. It is
    used to take car engines out of cars.

    ---

    Hi Al -

    The Engine Lift is used to pick up the nose long enough to put the weight onto
    the cradle - you don't want to keep the whole plane suspended on the chainlift.

    Think of your engine mount and lord Mounts slowly bending and deforming from the
    weight!

    Think of the plane dropping onto the prop if the chain lift has a problem.

    The cradles are easy to make!

    Bill Howard
    BeechSportBill
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    Beech Aero Club NorthWest Region Director
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  5. #5

    Nose wheel stuff

    I've seen ceiling and engine lifts used successfully, but it's sure
    easier to just pull the tail down with a concrete block. You also
    won't then have to maneuver around the hoist or worry about the
    mounts. Just make sure the block & attachment (use chain!) is heavy
    enough if people get in the cabin or lean on the engine! Long ago,
    I got to see an incident in which a Mooney tail was put through the
    ceiling during a gear swing check.
    Bob
    A&P, Aero Eng

    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Al ODonnell"
    <sundowner6699x@y...> wrote:
    > Group,
    >
    > I saw the wooden brace someone used on BAC photo to hold up the
    front
    > of the plane while working on the nose wheel and or donuts. I
    have a
    > friend in the next hangar who has a portable auto engine lifter.
    It is
    > use to take car engines out of cars. Can anyone see any reason I
    could
    > not use this to hold up the front of the plane while working on
    the
    > nose gear?
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > Al




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  6. #6

    Nose wheel stuff

    Bob knows this well, but as a reminder for those less experienced....

    If you use the tail-down method, whether a weight, tail stand, or tie-down anchor, take care with how you get the tail down. Unlike the wing rings, the tail ring is aluminum alloy. The associated structure is designed to handle primarily vertical loads on the ring. It can be damaged by being yanked side-to-side or fore-and-aft with too much vigor or at too wide an angle. In fact, though it is widely ignored, there is a caution in one of the manuals against using the tail ring to pull the plane around. It clearly has to hold the plane against wind loads, and isn't exactly fragile, but just exercise care.

    A related concern is the Stabilator spar and internal structure. There were some cracking problems with the original early sixties internal structure design, and the structure was beefed up a bit in subsequent versions. There are cautions in the manuals against any significant lifting or pushing down on the Stabilator. One of the preflight tasks is to gently move the tip of the Stab up and down. This is to check for loose pivot bearings or brackets, but is also to detect any cracked structure by hearing "oil can" or popping noises or excessive play. If you must press down on the Stab, the safest place to do it is right above the pivot bearing, up against the fuselage. Never let a helper push down or pull up anywhere else on the Stabilator. An over-eager friend can do a tremendous amount of expensive damage on a plane.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Bob Swaim
    To: musketeermail@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 8:03 AM
    Subject: [musketeermail] Re: Nose wheel stuff


    I've seen ceiling and engine lifts used successfully, but it's sure
    easier to just pull the tail down with a concrete block. You also
    won't then have to maneuver around the hoist or worry about the
    mounts. Just make sure the block & attachment (use chain!) is heavy
    enough if people get in the cabin or lean on the engine! Long ago,
    I got to see an incident in which a Mooney tail was put through the
    ceiling during a gear swing check.
    Bob
    A&P, Aero Eng

    --- In musketeermail@yahoogroups.com, "Al ODonnell"
    <sundowner6699x@y...> wrote:
    > Group,
    >
    > I saw the wooden brace someone used on BAC photo to hold up the
    front
    > of the plane while working on the nose wheel and or donuts. I
    have a
    > friend in the next hangar who has a portable auto engine lifter.
    It is
    > use to take car engines out of cars. Can anyone see any reason I
    could
    > not use this to hold up the front of the plane while working on
    the
    > nose gear?
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > Al




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