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Thread: Final 2013 PT Standings

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    Final 2013 PT Standings

    Are they available somewhere?
    Cloyd Van Hook
    Founder and First President of BAC


    States visited (though not necessarily landed in) by N2393L (AKA Minnie), N9227S (AKA Annie) and N26TM (AKA Mary) while I've owned and flown the aforementioned aircraft.

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    I'm going to go way out on a limb and say I did not win, so at least one member is out of the running.
    N2301L
    "The Rat"

    Scars are tatoos with better stories.

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    We've had some issues accessing all the fly-in numbers after Dan's resignation. As soon as we can pull the numbers off the BAC database, John Redmon will be doing the calculations. The last published numbers are in error. We just need someone with database access to find the time to do the query.
    Bob Schmidt, Founding Member
    Sundowner N282G has landed in:

    Also flew VH-WEI in Oz.

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    I can give you all Mid-Atlantic Fly-In info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rgschmi View Post
    We've had some issues accessing all the fly-in numbers after Dan's resignation. As soon as we can pull the numbers off the BAC database, John Redmon will be doing the calculations. The last published numbers are in error. We just need someone with database access to find the time to do the query.
    Check your email.

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    Probably a bigger issue than I thought....
    Bob Schmidt, Founding Member
    Sundowner N282G has landed in:

    Also flew VH-WEI in Oz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rgschmi View Post
    Probably a bigger issue than I thought....
    Why is this such a big issue?
    Cloyd Van Hook
    Founder and First President of BAC


    States visited (though not necessarily landed in) by N2393L (AKA Minnie), N9227S (AKA Annie) and N26TM (AKA Mary) while I've owned and flown the aforementioned aircraft.

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    According to the published rules for PT points, all fly-in points were to be sent to Dan Jonas by the Regional Directors. Did the RDs not keep copies of what they submitted to Dan?

    Personally, I much preferred the old way PT points were published. An ongoing Excel spreadsheet was available on the website and could be viewed throughout the year, rather than the top 5 or so published each month in BACFire. If a fly-in was omitted or points were not calculated accurately, a correction could readily be made and all members were aware. This also added more interest in that members could keep tabs on their competitors.

    I hope Rap returns to this type presentation so everyone stays in the know.

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    Brad,

    Everyone is going to have their way of doing things. When I took over, I saw a lot of mechanical requirements to make a monthly newsletter and keep up with PT Points and the administration of the club. While a spreadsheet works fine as a stand-alone record, it does not automatically post to a newsletter. On the other hand, a database, which includes PT Points and PT Events can be queried to produce both a newsletter and a spreadsheet. It can also be queried to produce reports which can be used to verify the accuracy of the records. Additionally, having a master database of membership (present and past) provided an automated way to include New Member and Five Year Member processes. Not to mention that it also produces an ability to make radius reports for marketing and fly-in promotion. I did spend considerable time geo-coding our membership to allow such reports.

    When I resigned, the PT Points were essentially up to date in the database. I did not take the database with me. It is a club database and resides on the club servers. As of my resignation, I asked Mark G. to eliminate my access to the data. I have not accessed the data since my resignation. All one needs to do to extract any information is to query the database.

    While I think that having the current PT Point standings present on the web site is a great idea, I did not have time to maintain such and still complete the other ongoing activities I was performing for the club. The PT Points have no award for second or third place. I think your characterization of the top five appearing in the newsletter is a little misleading. True, during the early part of the year there was not always much more than five. In fact, sometimes there was nothing to publish except the prior years standings until about March or April. But a review of some of the BACFire issues will show that as time moved on, I included a longer list.

    Chris told me when I took over that I was under no obligation to do things his way. I thought that his monthly newsletter was a great idea and endeavored to continue that. I also continued his implementation of the five year pins and letters to new members. I did choose to produce those processes and the newsletter in a manner which I felt was less time consuming.

    I think that spreadsheets make fine ledgers. However, they are not great repositories of data. Particularly data which ultimately might be better expressed in other ways. The membership data, event data, PT point data are all data. I used a database. In fact, this website is just a series of tables of data.

    Everyone needs to give the new leadership time to decide and implement how they want to run the club.
    Daniel Jonas


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    Dan,

    From what I'm hearing no one knows how to use the data base you created. The Board seems to be unable to decipher or update the PT Standings. Perhaps they could use your help.
    Cloyd Van Hook
    Founder and First President of BAC


    States visited (though not necessarily landed in) by N2393L (AKA Minnie), N9227S (AKA Annie) and N26TM (AKA Mary) while I've owned and flown the aforementioned aircraft.

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